🏀 For reference...Grant's contract.

[TerryP]

Currently making 1.9MM per; contract runs through 2019.

Ok, I went back and read over Grant's contract this morning, and I'll check with a lawyer to make sure I have it correct, but there is a clause that if Alabama made a move and terminated his contract Grant is only owed $1 million a year through the length of the contract.


There was more language added in one of the amendments, but as best I can tell it would be $5 million at the end of this season and $1 million less after the end of each subsequent season.

H/T to Chris Walsh

 

[TheChief]

Is this being considered seriously, and why the discussion now?

 

[bama alum]

Is this being considered seriously, and why the discussion now?

Because it is time for a change. If Bama loses in cowtown tonight...again..., he should be Kiffin'd.

 

[TheChief]

Guaranteed. Bama does not lose in cow town tonight.
I'd take that bet all day long.

 

[bamaraider]

We play Auburn on Wednesday. Even though they've lost 16 straight SEC Games, Arkansas has been the only team that has really blown them out. Don't expect to walk over the goat humpers.

 

[TheChief]

Told ya' Bama wouldn't lose to them tonight.

 

[TerryP]

[MENTION=15045]TheChief[/MENTION] I posted this because there are people calling for his head. I don't think it's a good business decision.

Sure, there's a lot of money coming in from the football program. I'd rather not see those monies going towards a buyout.

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FWIW:

IF Auburn loses tomorrow night they have the longest losing streak in SEC basketball history. That'll make two of their major sports programs having suffered losing streaks, setting records, in the last two years.

 

[TheChief]

I'm inclined to agree with you [MENTION=12209]TerryP[/MENTION] I mentioned earlier in the season I was supporting him. I'm surprised this is happening during the early part of the SEC schedule. I thought it would happen soon after the season when everyone knows where the team sits (though it is becoming obvious already). I guess waiting a year though and then firing him and paying the buyout would not save the school any money whatsoever. The net cost for five years would remain the same. If he wins though, Alabama still has a coach, and Grant and the program are successful.

 

[bama alum]

<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> @TheChief <!-- END TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> I posted this because there are people calling for his head. I don't think it's a good business decision.

Sure, there's a lot of money coming in from the football program. I'd rather not see those monies going towards a buyout.

Coach Saban has always said that a good basketball team helps with recruiting. Don't know how effective that is when Coleman is half deserted at the end of so many games lately.

I did have the day wrong, sorry. Raider is right about the barn. That's a hard luck team. They are in almost every game til the nearly the end. This will be no cakewalk at all, esp. on the road.

 

[TerryP]

I'm inclined to agree with you <!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> @TerryP <!-- END TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> I mentioned earlier in the season I was supporting him. I'm surprised this is happening during the early part of the SEC schedule. I thought it would happen soon after the season when everyone knows where the team sits (though it is becoming obvious already). I guess waiting a year though and then firing him and paying the buyout would not save the school any money whatsoever. The net cost for five years would remain the same. If he wins though, Alabama still has a coach, and Grant and the program are successful.

Making a judgment purely off of what I see on the Internet—in terms of fan reactions—I don't see a difference in the number of people calling for change versus what I saw last year. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that roughly 8 of 10 are the same people.

One of the problems (besides the buyout numbers argument) is what I see from these same people. I'll see suggestions that Grant needs to go to an up-tempo approach with our team. Yet, no one stops to consider the personnel, rather lack of, we'd be dealing with if he chose this route. When you weigh what's recommended for better results in the W column it's really removes any "credibility" their suggestions would have.

Personally, as disappointing as things are, I'm not at the point of saying a change has to be made. It certainly seems that he is, as well as the team, behind the proverbial eight-ball each season. I'm not talking job security, I'm referring to other factors (like single digit scholarshipped players for this season.)

Treading water isn't a good way to describe a program. However, it's better than sinking and I don't believe we're at that point.

 

[TheChief]

Why does Alabama have fewer scholarship players than everyone else?

 

[bamaraider]

Players just leaving and Grant not getting in enough recruits. Lacey transferred, Gueye transferred, and Pollard had issues back at home, so he transferred. We added Key late, having 3 commitments for last years recruiting class. A year before, it was just Pollard.

 

[TheChief]

I don't see how that's an excuse for Grant then. Tell me how that's an excuse. Sounds like that's his problem to own.

 

[TideAlum05]

Who in his right mind thought it was a good idea to extend this guy to 2019? On what merit did he earn that extension? What a joke.

 

[TideAlum05]

Making a judgment purely off of what I see on the Internet—in terms of fan reactions—I don't see a difference in the number of people calling for change versus what I saw last year. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that roughly 8 of 10 are the same people.

One of the problems (besides the buyout numbers argument) is what I see from these same people. I'll see suggestions that Grant needs to go to an up-tempo approach with our team. Yet, no one stops to consider the personnel, rather lack of, we'd be dealing with if he chose this route. When you weigh what's recommended for better results in the W column it's really removes any "credibility" their suggestions would have.

Personally, as disappointing as things are, I'm not at the point of saying a change has to be made. It certainly seems that he is, as well as the team, behind the proverbial eight-ball each season. I'm not talking job security, I'm referring to other factors (like single digit scholarshipped players for this season.)

Treading water isn't a good way to describe a program. However, it's better than sinking and I don't believe we're at that point.

Most of the fan reactions that I've seen lately are extremely negative. I think Grant's seat is obviously hotter than it has even been wrt the fans. Look at how "full" Coleman is on the TV games.

I don't think we need a certain style of coach. I simply want a quality coach who can make Bama a consistent NCAA tournament team. I liked the Grant hire, but it just hasn't worked out. I'll even admit that he could end up having success at another program. Who cares about personnel or this recruiting class? You don't keep a floundering coach because there might be growing pains with a new coach. Whose fault is it that we're light on scholarship players?

He's in year 5 and outside of a miracle, Bama won't dance. So in 5 years he's been to 1 NCAA Tourney with zero wins, no SEC regular season Championships, and no SEC Tourney Championships. What else needs to happen for you to believe a change is necessary? It's year 5, we know who Anthony Grant is and what he's capable of at Bama.

This is poised to be his worst season since he's been at Bama. The team could finish better than his first year, but even that seems unlikely at this point. I wouldn't call that treading water. That is full on regression in my book.

 

[bamaraider]

I don't see how that's an excuse for Grant then. Tell me how that's an excuse. Sounds like that's his problem to own.

It is his problem. Just like his lethargic offense he never changes. Grant can't coach....well at least not at Alabama.

 

[bama alum]

A couple of years ago, we saw these freshmen and others on the team playing lights out defense; they couldn't shoot very well, but their D kept Bama in the game. Where was that D last night that allowed a pitiful barner team to start out 12 - 0 and win by nearly 20.

Four years of stagnation. Yes, raider. That's Grant's problem.

 

[TheChief]

I think our board may be an indication of the problem in Tuscaloosa. There's about six of us that post about basketball. No one cares about basketball at Alabama. Hire a coach and pay him about 100k a year and be done with it. Lose. Save 1.8 million. Problem solved. I thought the university was making a commitment to winning in ALL sports. I'm beginning to think they got lucky.

 

[planomateo]

At what point does yearly salary conflict with buyout? Meaning, if he's owed $5M for a buyout, but some want to wait til that gets down to say $4M (say 2 years), then way pay him $2M per year to get the buyout down. Surely someone is looking at this in the total costs to the program vs just the contract buyout.

I get there are other issues that some might not be aware of, but from a money perspective - you have to look at the whole picture.

 

[TerryP]

I think our board may be an indication of the problem in Tuscaloosa. There's about six of us that post about basketball. No one cares about basketball at Alabama. Hire a coach and pay him about 100k a year and be done with it. Lose. Save 1.8 million. Problem solved. I thought the university was making a commitment to winning in ALL sports. I'm beginning to think they got lucky.

On the other hand, there are a lot of fans who seem to believe that putting the right coach in place is as simple as hooking up a new mouse to a computer.

It's not "plug and play."

Something to consider. Let's say this was a football conversation and the team we were discussing were down 22 players—a full unit. In the last few games, with Obasohan dealing with his hip injury, we're playing with eight.

That said, I noticed your comment the other day about the scholarship numbers and asking why; suggesting this all lies on Grant.

Again, not a plug and play situation. We lost Pollard in the middle of the summer. Replacing someone with his potential in a span of three months is a lot easier said than done.

I'm not making excuses for what we're seeing with the basketball program. However, these are issues that can't be summarily dismissed because they don't fit an individuals narrative.