🌎 DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) Reports of moving the USPS under the Dept. of Commerce

TerryP said:
I made the comment it was the most corrupt country out of those European countries when all of this first kicked off. A bit of an overstatement according to @It Takes Eleven ... a lot of history in that area. It wasn't much of a "forecast" saying we're about to see billions just disappear with countless lives lost for no good reason.
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It Takes Eleven

🌎 Post in thread 'Wall to Wall: Russia, Russia, Russia. This Ukraine mess, what's your feelings on the matter?'

TerryP said:
The issue, as I see this, is whether the United States shouldn't be involved in this. Spending billions on a country that can be argued as one of the most corrupt in history is a small part of the story. Why are we in a proxy war with Russia?

In the last Senate vote, as I recall, about 10% voted against the next aid package for Ukraine. They were Republicans. However, you can't lay this on "party lines." You'll find a few, no matter the majority, oppose foreign aid such as this. You'll find the majority, no matter the majority, support these measures.

@It Takes...
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I think this was the post. You can't dump money anywhere, including this country, and not have a huge element of fraud.

As of 2024, Ukraine ranked 105 out of all 180 countries, with their score and ranking trending higher since 2013, when they were ranked 144 out of 177 nations. Former Soviet territories that broke away earlier from Russian influence (Estonia - 12, Latvia - 38, Lithuania - 32 Poland - 53) have fared better than Ukraine, but those still under Putin's thumb (Armenia - 63, Belarus - 114, Kazakhstan - 88, Kyrgyzstan - 146, Russia - 154 and Tajikistan - 164) are generally more corrupt.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
It Takes Eleven

🌎 Post in thread 'Wall to Wall: Russia, Russia, Russia. This Ukraine mess, what's your feelings on the matter?'

TerryP said:
The issue, as I see this, is whether the United States shouldn't be involved in this. Spending billions on a country that can be argued as one of the most corrupt in history is a small part of the story. Why are we in a proxy war with Russia?

In the last Senate vote, as I recall, about 10% voted against the next aid package for Ukraine. They were Republicans. However, you can't lay this on "party lines." You'll find a few, no matter the majority, oppose foreign aid such as this. You'll find the majority, no matter the majority, support these measures.

@It Takes...
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I think this was the post. You can't dump money anywhere, including this country, and not have a huge element of fraud.

As of 2024, Ukraine ranked 105 out of all 180 countries, with their score and ranking trending higher since 2013, when they were ranked 144 out of 177 nations. Former Soviet territories that broke away earlier from Russian influence (Estonia - 12, Latvia - 38, Lithuania - 32 Poland - 53) have fared better than Ukraine, but those still under Putin's thumb (Armenia - 63, Belarus - 114, Kazakhstan - 88, Kyrgyzstan - 146, Russia - and Tajikistan - 164) are generally more corrupt.
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From where did you pull those numbers? "105 out of all 180" with 180 being the worst considering Russia is listed at 154?

I wasn't trying to toss a helping of hyperbole into the conversation when I said "arguably the most corrupt." I was being dead serious when I threw "proxy war" in the mix: we've seen that was "the God's honest truth."

All that said, I know very little about a country like Tajikistan, or Kyrgyzstan. I think it's safe to say we've not seen the billions lost in those you've mentioned.

(On another note, I can't read names like Tajikistan and not think of Shaud Williams.)
 
TerryP said:
From where did you pull those numbers? "105 out of all 180" with 180 being the worst considering Russia is listed at 154?

I wasn't trying to toss a helping of hyperbole into the conversation when I said "arguably the most corrupt." I was being dead serious when I threw "proxy war" in the mix: we've seen that was "the God's honest truth."

All that said, I know very little about a country like Tajikistan, or Kyrgyzstan. I think it's safe to say we've not seen the billions lost in those you've mentioned.

(On another note, I can't read names like Tajikistan and not think of Shaud Williams.)
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Correct. Transparency International has the most comprehensive approach, higher the score the better, larger ranking number the worse. Somalia and South Sudan are 179 and 180, respectively, and Denmark and Finland are 1 and 2. They are too liberal for me on a number of measures they weight, including climate change, so scores for nations who don't meet certain diversity and environmental expectations are overweighted down. I also think that China games all of these systems through coercion and deception, and they are nowhere near their assigned ranking of 76.

 
24and7 said:
Oh you must’ve heard that on the news..they are always straight with us..
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In my opinion, you are missing the point. Well, my point. "Destroying files, can't be restored." That is fake news. It's hyperbole.

The concept of "Bleach Bit" with Hillary is how many times the code is overwritten. It's not erased. There's A LOT of stuff you don't see here and it's just Bama stuff. I haven't deleted anything. I've written over it so it doesn't show up. The avatars on the featured threads slider are still there. You just don't see them.

While there may be some elements to this story that are true, a lot of it is conjecture. Retrieving stuff isn't that complicated when it is there, forever.

(Ya want a little scary? You can 'bleach bit' something 1000X and AI can reconstruct.)
 
I believe you will never actually see DOGE cuts ever really come to be… we are just watching a big “kabuki theater”… you were never going to get all these congressmen and senators to agree to stop their system of kickbacks and under the table payments… because otherwise there would never be any incentive for anybody to become a representative or a senator, if they can’t get rich and become celebrity…
 
24and7 said:
I believe you will never actually see DOGE cuts ever really come to be… we are just watching a big “kabuki theater”… you were never going to get all these congressmen and senators to agree to stop their system of kickbacks and under the table payments… because otherwise there would never be any incentive for anybody to become a representative or a senator, if they can’t get rich and become celebrity…
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When they take the next step and show that X received the money and then it was used for A, B and C (this is what politicians fear), there will be changes made.

They recently did this with Kamala’s campaign contributions and showed the money was used to pay Oprah and Cardi B for endorsements and campaign appearances.
 
OldPlayer said:
When they take the next step and show that X received the money and then it was used for A, B and C (this is what politicians fear), there will be changes made.

They recently did this with Kamala’s campaign contributions and showed the money was used to pay Oprah and Cardi B for endorsements and campaign appearances.
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I hope so… they have Samantha power by the short and curlys right now… then they should prosecute her!… went in at about 5 to 6 million $$ worth and come out $15-$16 million richer… her salary was 160,000 yearly …She should be under criminal investigation right now or even indicted..
 
Once again the two worthless Judges Barrett and Roberts have sided with the Democrats.. They have ruled Trump admin has to give aid for government sponsored perversion worldwide… The should receive the “reward” for TREASON..
 
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