📡 Does college football’s endless 8-game/9-game conference schedule debate matter?

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Conferences play slightly different numbers of games within their own leagues.

If it’s the offseason and/or any other time of the year, it’s time for college football fans to be arguing their way through a cycling list of topics.
A popular one, in the news due to the Big Ten reportedly denying it’s thinking of changing back to eight conference games shortly after two years of nine, is: how many league games should each team have to play?

This flares up most intensely around Selection Sunday, when a one-loss team from a league that plays only eight conference games makes the Playoff at the expense of a two-loss team that played nine conference games. Because the Playoff-eligible level of football includes a whopping 65 teams (mid-majors do not exist), there will probably always be a team or two that meets each of these qualifications.

Therefore, part of this argument involves referring to the many teams that have been robbed of Playoff spots because they had to play nine league games, though the list of suitable proper nouns is slim so far.

Here are your near-miss teams from nine-game conferences:
  • In 2014, Baylor and TCU missed. Their losses came in the first half-ish of the season, so it’s hard to blame the nine-game grind. TCU would’ve surely had to play Baylor even in a division format, though Baylor might’ve been able to replace West Virginia with a very Baylor-y non-con opponent.
  • In 2015, Stanford lost a non-conference game in September that can’t be blamed on the Pac-12 and a division game (which Stanford would’ve had to play no matter how many cross-division games it played) at home in November, which is only the Pac-12’s fault if you think the prior week’s cross-division blowout win at 4-9 Colorado changed the outcome. Might’ve! It was a close loss!
  • In 2016, Penn State lost a non-conference game and a division game, both in September, neither of which was the Big Ten’s fault. Playing an extra cross-division game later in the year against either Iowa, Minnesota, or Purdue didn’t keep Penn State out of the Playoff.
So for the first three years of the Playoff, the argument was largely theoretical.
  • 2017 actually gives us a couple cases. Ohio State lost a non-con game, but also got trashed by cross-division Iowa, whom the Buckeyes might’ve missed in an eight-game rotation. Likewise, weirdly distant Playoff longshot USC lost a non-con game, but also a horribly scheduled cross-division road trip to Washington State.
So! It turns out we’ve spent the whole Playoff era (and beyond, ever since the Big 12 broke out the nine-game to-do in 2011) arguing about something that pretty rarely might actually matter.

And even then, it’s not like the Big 12, Big Ten, and Pac-12 are playing extra conference games just to prove their valor. More games mean their TV deals have more in-house product to offer. They have hands in home-team revenue in each series. They can create nine-game branding that backfires. And so on.

The ACC and SEC have chosen differently -- so far, at least, since the ACC has considered nine for TV money reasons, while Nick Saban has been the SEC’s lone nine-game voice. Seeing as neither conference has missed a Playoff yet, they evidently find their schedule strengths satisfactory, no matter how frequently fans and coaches from other conferences call for nationalized rules after 121 years of conferences scheduling however they want.

You could argue Bama might’ve missed a Playoff if it’d, say, played an extra SEC opponent instead of the infamous Mercer, but why would we assume Mercer would’ve been the odd team out? If the 2017 Tide had to add a game against Florida or whoever from the East, wouldn’t they drop Colorado State or Fresno State and keep the gimme game? Either way, nobody forced the non-Bama conferences to add extra games.

(This also then gets into the side debates on how much the Playoff actually values strength of schedule, everyone in the country somehow playing bad teams the week before Thanksgiving, and so forth. Play the hits!)

I’d personally be in favor of as many conference games as possible, because those are more likely to feel important than non-con games are, though I don’t really have a take in this debate, other than: do what makes you happy, but don’t expect everybody else to start wanting to do it too.


Does the 8-game/9-game conference schedule debate even matter?
 
Bama's been there 4 times in 4 years. The SEC has put 5 teams in the playoff in 4 tries. The ACC is a perfect 4 for 4 in the playoff themselves. Both play 8 conference games, so guess what, they ain't changing. Short of the NCAA making it mandatory and that apparently doesn't get much debate with them.
 
I want to see a competitive and somewhat manageable schedule . After all you only get so many home games .

I just wish they would play only power 5 teams . If the CFP committee left a top team out because of scheduling , it would fix itself .
 
8 is fine with me as long as you continue to schedule a big name OOC team each year. I had rather play a USC/West Virginia type team than having Vandy/USCe. I have no problem with having 3 pretty much little sister of the poor at home so Nick can get next years players minutes on the field.....Oh and that extra home game provides the money for all these other sports teams the U of A has that keeps them out of the Red.
 
Alabama has some big-name OOC opponents coming up with USCw, Texas (2x) and Notre Dame (2x). For all we know these teams could suck in those years. Alabama had a great game scheduled with FSU, but FSU turned into a stinker. Just because big-name schools are scheduled doesn't mean they'll meet the hype.
 
Alabama has some big-name OOC opponents coming up with USCw, Texas (2x) and Notre Dame (2x). For all we know these teams could suck in those years. Alabama had a great game scheduled with FSU, but FSU turned into a stinker. Just because big-name schools are scheduled doesn't mean they'll meet the hype.

I thought FSU gave us all we wanted. They played hard and were at full strength throughout. It was our special teams that dramatically shifted momentum and a nasty defense that secured the win. The only thing that happened to the Seminoles happened to Texas and Colt McCoy. Unfortunately for FSU, it was their first game of the year and not their last.
 
Alabama has some big-name OOC opponents coming up with USCw, Texas (2x) and Notre Dame (2x). For all we know these teams could suck in those years. Alabama had a great game scheduled with FSU, but FSU turned into a stinker. Just because big-name schools are scheduled doesn't mean they'll meet the hype.

I thought FSU gave us all we wanted. They played hard and were at full strength throughout. It was our special teams that dramatically shifted momentum and a nasty defense that secured the win. The only thing that happened to the Seminoles happened to Texas and Colt McCoy. Unfortunately for FSU, it was their first game of the year and not their last.

But the rest of FSU's season wasn't good (regardless of the reason). As a result, Alabama's strength of opponents wasn't strong. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
But the rest of FSU's season wasn't good (regardless of the reason). As a result, Alabama's strength of opponents wasn't strong. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's why I don't overthink this stuff. Texas, it could be argued, still isn't over the Colt McCoy injury. Probably still our fault. I hope what the University is doing they are doing for the fans and not the polls. These home and home series can't be quickly argued away regardless of circumstances when they finally meet. And we all want it, which to me carries the most weight.
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever

If the NCAA said to add a 12th game, but restricted who the game could be against, that leads to a lawsuit. The D1 programs make a bunch of money by scheduling anybody. Telling a D1AA team they can only schedule a money-making game against teams that they haven't played in a few years leads to a lawsuit.
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever

If the NCAA said to add a 12th game, but restricted who the game could be against, that leads to a lawsuit. The D1 programs make a bunch of money by scheduling anybody. Telling a D1AA team they can only schedule a money-making game against teams that they haven't played in a few years leads to a lawsuit.
@252BAMA might remember this better than I. I don't recall the restriction being on the D1AA schools, but on D1. They couldn't play two D1AA teams in back to back years and have those wins (the second one) count towards bowl eligibility. So, a team could get into a bowl game with six wins and one of them being a D1AA. The next season six wins wouldn't; it would require seven wins.

As memory serves...
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever

If the NCAA said to add a 12th game, but restricted who the game could be against, that leads to a lawsuit. The D1 programs make a bunch of money by scheduling anybody. Telling a D1AA team they can only schedule a money-making game against teams that they haven't played in a few years leads to a lawsuit.
@252BAMA might remember this better than I. I don't recall the restriction being on the D1AA schools, but on D1. They couldn't play two D1AA teams in back to back years and have those wins (the second one) count towards bowl eligibility. So, a team could get into a bowl game with six wins and one of them being a D1AA. The next season six wins wouldn't; it would require seven wins.

As memory serves...
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever

If the NCAA said to add a 12th game, but restricted who the game could be against, that leads to a lawsuit. The D1 programs make a bunch of money by scheduling anybody. Telling a D1AA team they can only schedule a money-making game against teams that they haven't played in a few years leads to a lawsuit.
@252BAMA might remember this better than I. I don't recall the restriction being on the D1AA schools, but on D1. They couldn't play two D1AA teams in back to back years and have those wins (the second one) count towards bowl eligibility. So, a team could get into a bowl game with six wins and one of them being a D1AA. The next season six wins wouldn't; it would require seven wins.

As memory serves...

Never ever remember anything like that....i do remember something about a 1AA or lower not counting as a win for a bowl....maybe thats the same...
Now..with so many bowls....even Tennessee might qualify
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever

If the NCAA said to add a 12th game, but restricted who the game could be against, that leads to a lawsuit. The D1 programs make a bunch of money by scheduling anybody. Telling a D1AA team they can only schedule a money-making game against teams that they haven't played in a few years leads to a lawsuit.
@252BAMA might remember this better than I. I don't recall the restriction being on the D1AA schools, but on D1. They couldn't play two D1AA teams in back to back years and have those wins (the second one) count towards bowl eligibility. So, a team could get into a bowl game with six wins and one of them being a D1AA. The next season six wins wouldn't; it would require seven wins.

As memory serves...

Never ever remember anything like that....i do remember something about a 1AA or lower not counting as a win for a bowl....maybe thats the same...
Now..with so many bowls....even Tennessee might qualify
D!AA same as 1AA.

This came up just last year with Florida State and their 6-6 record. Granted, it was under the new set of rules. According to what's stated, FSU's win over Delaware State shouldn't have counted as their 6th win and therefore they weren't bowl eligible. The way the new structure is set up that was determined based on the number of Delaware State players--on scholarship--that were used over the last two years. (It's a FCS clause since there is no D1AA any longer.)
 
When they added the 12 th game...one of the hopes was....not scheduling games to far ahead and get decent matches.....i think it has worked some that way....
But still reaching 10 years ahead on other scheduling

The 12th game was added to give 1AA schools a big payday. The rule prohibiting 1A schools from playing 1AA schools more than once every four years was eliminated on the EXACT same day the 12th game was added to the regular season.

It only makes senses to allow the lower level schools to get a payday when the higher level schools are getting a payday.

Got me on the logic of that......
Everyone has a place....and that place is what it is......
whatever

If the NCAA said to add a 12th game, but restricted who the game could be against, that leads to a lawsuit. The D1 programs make a bunch of money by scheduling anybody. Telling a D1AA team they can only schedule a money-making game against teams that they haven't played in a few years leads to a lawsuit.
@252BAMA might remember this better than I. I don't recall the restriction being on the D1AA schools, but on D1. They couldn't play two D1AA teams in back to back years and have those wins (the second one) count towards bowl eligibility. So, a team could get into a bowl game with six wins and one of them being a D1AA. The next season six wins wouldn't; it would require seven wins.

As memory serves...

We're talking about two different things here, but, yes, in both cases the restriction was on the D1A school and not the D1AA. In the other case, the D1AA could play a D1A school, or schools, every year if they could find any that had not played a D1AA in the previous four years. The D1A school was restricted to one D1AA game every four years. As said earlier, that restriction was eliminated on the exact same day the 12th game was added to the schedule. Making it very clear as to for what the 12th game was intended.
 
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