💬 Did Bama dodge another bullet by missing on Gregg Marshall.? BSC antics during game by his wife.

[TerryP]

It's not just my opinion Terry... Maybe your buddies were confused? Or Al.com and/or the Wichita Eagle is a couple mill off.

No. They weren't confused. They certainly weren't mislead by people involved in the search. There's far too much money involved through their donations for them to be mislead.

In the midst of the "interview" process when WSU dropped their 3.3 million deal on the table for Marshall there was one thing Bama couldn't overcome--the wife. It happens.

The question still remains. Did Bama dodge a bullet by missing on Marshall? They certainly dodged Beth part deux.

 

[Bamabww]

She really needs to listen to the advice of George Carlin: NSFW or CHILDREN

 

[Tidestalker]

Once again, laugh it off as if it puts you insome kind of winning position.

As far as time, how long has ole boy been at Witchita State? What kind of competition has he faced? Hell, anyone can get up for a game a couple times a year. Anyways, he has as many trophies as Avery does, but yeah, keep polishing his knob.

I'm not laughing because I'm winning. I'm laughing because of the arguments you're making. Let's recap:

1. You say you think Alabama gets the better of the deal in time (strictly opinion, no factual evidence)

2. I point out statistics that say so far that is incorrect, by a long shot

3. I ask when you start evaluating this statement

4. You tell me I'm polishing his knob

The initial argument discussion between Terry was whether or not Alabama dodged a bullet with his drunken wife or never had a chance to. Sources are in disagreement apparently.

You've somehow brought it to this argument about his resume, now using championships as the benchmark. 6 NCAA tourneys in a row and a Final 4 at Wichita St is amazing. I'll leave it at that, because if you hold Avery to a higher standard you're even more delusional than the Texas fans that are still bitter about Nick Saban.

 

[Tidestalker]

No. They weren't confused. They certainly weren't mislead by people involved in the search. There's far too much money involved through their donations for them to be mislead.

In the midst of the "interview" process when WSU dropped their 3.3 million deal on the table for Marshall there was one thing Bama couldn't overcome--the wife. It happens.

The question still remains. Did Bama dodge a bullet by missing on Marshall? They certainly dodged Beth part deux.

We all have our own spin when things don't go our way... I know every time it didn't work out with a babe, it's cause I cut it off. lol

This dude can coach and even if he had 3 of those broads it would be worth it. Small price to pay for what he brings to a University, which is why Alabama offered him 4 Mill....

 

[BamaFan334]

I'm not laughing because I'm winning. I'm laughing because of the arguments you're making. Let's recap:

1. You say you think Alabama gets the better of the deal in time (strictly opinion, no factual evidence)

2. I point out statistics that say so far that is incorrect, by a long shot

3. I ask when you start evaluating this statement

4. You tell me I'm polishing his knob

The initial argument discussion between Terry was whether or not Alabama dodged a bullet with his drunken wife or never had a chance to. Sources are in disagreement apparently.

You've somehow brought it to this argument about his resume, now using championships as the benchmark. 6 NCAA tourneys in a row and a Final 4 at Wichita St is amazing. I'll leave it at that, because if you hold Avery to a higher standard you're even more delusional than the Texas fans that are still bitter about Nick Saban.

I was simply bringing down your argument for him not being at a powerhouse program for being such a great and amazing coach. He hasn't won anything of note, so you're basing this off one magical run into the Final Four, which has been done before, and a tournament appearance the last six seasons, wooooooooooooooow. How on Earth can someone build a winner in the Big South and Missouri Valley, a lot of tough competition over there every year? Georgia Tech also made a Final Four under Paul Hewitt, so he must be amazing as well. Use Brad Stevens as an example of a guy that did exactly what this guy has done, yet he found his way to bigger and better opportunities. And what exactly are you winning? Your point goes against societal norms. No one wants an obnoxious person next to them cussing up a storm in any situation. I'm willing to bet you any amount of money on that, trigger. Avery won in the NBA as a player, a coach, and now he's putting together a winner at Alabama, all statistical facts. Pretty sure his overall resume sticks out more than the guy you're protecting. Any analyst agrees with me that Johnson is changing Alabama basketball into a contender, and all you had to do was watch a game to hear that. Anyways, on to the next topic of discussion.

 

[Tidestalker]

I was simply bringing down your argument for him not being at a powerhouse program for being such a great and amazing coach. He hasn't won anything of note, so you're basing this off one magical run into the Final Four, which has been done before, and a tournament appearance the last six seasons, wooooooooooooooow. How on Earth can someone build a winner in the Big South and Missouri Valley, a lot of tough competition over there every year? Georgia Tech also made a Final Four under Paul Hewitt, so he must be amazing as well. Use Brad Stevens as an example of a guy that did exactly what this guy has done, yet he found his way to bigger and better opportunities. And what exactly are you winning? Your point goes against societal norms. No one wants an obnoxious person next to them cussing up a storm in any situation. I'm willing to bet you any amount of money on that, trigger. Avery won in the NBA as a player, a coach, and now he's putting together a winner at Alabama, all statistical facts. Pretty sure his overall resume sticks out more than the guy you're protecting. Any analyst agrees with me that Johnson is changing Alabama basketball into a contender, and all you had to do was watch a game to hear that. Anyways, on to the next topic of discussion.

You're forgetting the most important statistical fact.

Johnson: $2.8 Mill
*Marshall: $3.3 Mill
*Alabama reportedly offered anywhere from $4-$4.9 Mill

The Alabama brass seems to disagree with you on the importance of their resumes. But you can flounder around that if you'd like.

and a tournament appearance the last six seasons, wooooooooooooooow.

You may not be hip to the basketball scene, but making the tourney at a Mid Major is extremely difficult because there is no room for error. As noted previously, the fact that he's passed up ALABAMA, Missouri, Tennessee, Cal, and NC State to stay at WSU doesn't make him any less of a coach... Does mean he's committed to that particular university. You're example of Brad Stevens has the same amount of titles as both Marshall and Avery combined, does that make him less of a Coach? Or have you moved the goal post once again to the NBA? Bottom line is that if the coaches in this situation were reversed, you'd be all about Marshall... But the delusional homer approach makes it hard to see things objectively.

 

[alagator]

I'm not laughing because I'm winning. I'm laughing because of the arguments you're making. Let's recap:

Let's do that.

It's not a big deal because it's not all over social media.

You lost from your first post.

but making the tourney at a Mid Major is extremely difficult

Anthony Grant says hello.

 

[BamaFan334]

You're forgetting the most important statistical fact.

Johnson: $2.8 Mill
*Marshall: $3.3 Mill
*Alabama reportedly offered anywhere from $4-$4.9 Mill

The Alabama brass seems to disagree with you on the importance of their resumes. But you can flounder around that if you'd like.



You may not be hip to the basketball scene, but making the tourney at a Mid Major is extremely difficult because there is no room for error. As noted previously, the fact that he's passed up ALABAMA, Missouri, Tennessee, Cal, and NC State to stay at WSU doesn't make him any less of a coach... Does mean he's committed to that particular university. You're example of Brad Stevens has the same amount of titles as both Marshall and Avery combined, does that make him less of a Coach? Or have you moved the goal post once again to the NBA? Bottom line is that if the coaches in this situation were reversed, you'd be all about Marshall... But the delusional homer approach makes it hard to see things objectively.

Sadly you have learned not one thing about me from my posts on these threads and that I am an objective thinker that does not allow the love for my school affect my thinking on a matter. I've hammered our school and I've also defended us, all to the thoughts of common decency. Alabama was in a pinch and had to look motivated when they made their initial offer to go after a guy that Wichita State was obviously trying to keep. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but your bar of dollars to dollars doesn't mean anything when it comes to ability. True, basketball is not my scene and is a bit of a joke in my eyes, but my knowledge of the sport and what I do keep up with entitles me to be in this conversation very easily, as basketball is like football and rarely changes hands of power. I also know enough to be competitive in a conversation.

Brad Stevens was simply an example of a guy that brought a smaller school to relevance and made a move to a bigger pasture. See, he did well, got noticed, and moved up, which technically can't be said yet for the guy you're covering for. Avery went from player to NBA coach, succeeded (got hosed if you ask many), and is now building a lot of buzz for a program that is not necessarily known as a contender. So you see, Alabama got what is called a deal on Johnson. Just because you have the money doesn't mean you have to spend the money, that's how the wealthy stay wealthy. Find that diamond in the rough and go. Not to mention, how many times have we seen in common America where a better employee may not make as much as a crappy employee? So that argument has no legs where you attempt to hold offer sheets side by side, two different deals, two different stories, but yet I'd say the results are most likely consistent at this juncture. Just like getting different trade in values at different dealerships you visit.

 

[Tidestalker]

Anthony Grant says hello.

How do you think he got the Alabama job? Because it's easy... Right.

 

[Tidestalker]

Sadly you have learned not one thing about me from my posts on these threads and that I am an objective thinker that does not allow the love for my school affect my thinking on a matter. I've hammered our school and I've also defended us, all to the thoughts of common decency. Alabama was in a pinch and had to look motivated when they made their initial offer to go after a guy that Wichita State was obviously trying to keep. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but your bar of dollars to dollars doesn't mean anything when it comes to ability. True, basketball is not my scene and is a bit of a joke in my eyes, but my knowledge of the sport and what I do keep up with entitles me to be in this conversation very easily, as basketball is like football and rarely changes hands of power. I also know enough to be competitive in a conversation.

Brad Stevens was simply an example of a guy that brought a smaller school to relevance and made a move to a bigger pasture. See, he did well, got noticed, and moved up, which technically can't be said yet for the guy you're covering for. Avery went from player to NBA coach, succeeded (got hosed if you ask many), and is now building a lot of buzz for a program that is not necessarily known as a contender. So you see, Alabama got what is called a deal on Johnson. Just because you have the money doesn't mean you have to spend the money, that's how the wealthy stay wealthy. Find that diamond in the rough and go. Not to mention, how many times have we seen in common America where a better employee may not make as much as a crappy employee? So that argument has no legs where you attempt to hold offer sheets side by side, two different deals, two different stories, but yet I'd say the results are most likely consistent at this juncture. Just like getting different trade in values at different dealerships you visit.

Lots of theoretical stuff there... When it's said and done, Marshall is out producing Avery as a college bball Coach. And that is why on the open market he would have, and still would, make more money. Once again this is based in reality.

 

[BamaFan334]

Lots of theoretical stuff there... When it's said and done, Marshall is out producing Avery as a college bball Coach. And that is why on the open market he would have, and still would, make more money. Once again this is based in reality.

Once again, apples and oranges comparing fifteen years to two years of experience. Take Marshall's first two years at Wichita State and compare them to Avery's first two. That's not out performing. I guess this is a prime example of how some people are blinded by the almighty dollar.

 

[Tidestalker]

Once again, apples and oranges comparing fifteen years to two years of experience. Take Marshall's first two years at Wichita State and compare them to Avery's first two. That's not out performing. I guess this is a prime example of how some people are blinded by the almighty dollar.

Yes, experience is valuable. This is why he was Alabama's first choice. When you go to the NCAA tourney 13/18 years at low and mid major schools, you're considered a good if not great coach. I think Avery is a fine Coach and doing an admirable job, but he's not on Marshall's level as a college hoops Coach. Might he be someday? Possibly. Is he now? No. Is it his fault? No. Leave it at that.

 

[planomateo]

Once again, apples and oranges comparing fifteen years to two years of experience. Take Marshall's first two years at Wichita State and compare them to Avery's first two. That's not out performing. I guess this is a prime example of how some people are blinded by the almighty dollar.

If you include Avery's NBA coaching career, it's more like 20 to 9 years.

 

[planomateo]

I would have loved for Alabama to land Gregg Marshall. Put me in the camp that would love to see what he would do at a bigger program.

I'm well aware of the money that flows through the city of Wichita. Imagine what he'd do at a bigger program under brighter lights, something I would like to see. Then again, Wichita State is expected to make the tournament every year...

 

[BamaFan334]

Yes, experience is valuable. This is why he was Alabama's first choice. You're learning... This is good. When you go to the NCAA tourney 13/18 years at low and mid major schools, you're considered a good if not great coach. I think Avery is a fine Coach and doing an admirable job, but he's not on Marshall's level in any way. Might he be someday? Possibly. Is he now? No. Is it his fault? No. Leave it at that.

Of course experience is good, it's how business in the world continues to rotate and come full circle. My entire point is simply that the dollar value of a contract doesn't mean you're a better coach/player. I don't even want to get into contracts of people we can argue over to make an even more valid point. To your comment about not being on Marshall's level, well you know what, Coach Saban wasn't on Coach Bryant's level either in his second year of coaching, or even after his first Championship at Alabama, but you know what, he has continued to gain ground and pumped out results that will forever allow us to debate it. Give Avery time, and until then, don't use his experience against him, use his results and progression with the program. Back to the original point TerryP made, we got lucky to have a classier and motivated guy like Avery over the negative headlines Marshall's wife is currently taking in. Other programs would simply love to bury us right now due to the level of success our programs have exuded. So yes, class means a lot with the current state of our program and school. Imagine if we had this going on here and if we had Baylor or North Carolina type stuff. People would want our head's, and rightfully so.

 

[BamaFan334]

I would have loved for Alabama to land Gregg Marshall. Put me in the camp that would love to see what he would do at a bigger program.

I'm well aware of the money that flows through the city of Wichita. Imagine what he'd do at a bigger program under brighter lights, something I would like to see. Then again, Wichita State is expected to make the tournament every year...

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Pull one of those for us please sir. I'd love to see if we have had any progressions.

 

[alagator]

When it's said and done, Marshall is out producing Avery as a college bball Coach.

After 10 years at WSU. He won 12 conference games his first two years in the Missouri Valley, for gods sake, with 24 losses. Avery, just beginning to coach at the collegiate level, is sitting at 18-18 in the SEC. Geez, Turgeon has that WSU team in the Sweet 16 two years before Marshall was hired.

Another short sided view.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Gregg Marshall gets to swim in the Missouri conference river every season. Not exactly the shark-infested waters found in the SEC. Not putting down anything he's accomplished, but the man obviously digs being a big fish in a little pond.

 

[planomateo]

Turgeon has that WSU

Ah, yeah, he definitely deserves a mention or two. He should get some kid of credit for building what Triple G started with right?

 

[alabama mike]

When you are in the public spotlight such as a coaches wife, you have to know you are being watched 24/7 and that things will go viral in a heartbeat. Just act the way you are suppose to act in public.