🏈 Collin Cowpie and Chip What's-his-name roasting Alabama academics

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IT shouldn't bother me, but Cowpie and Chip What's-his-name, Mr. Texas boy were just roasting Alabama academics saying how Texas didn't want to come to the SEC because schools like Alabama are so poor compared to Big 12 and Pac 10 schools. I didn't have to call in, but I did email and tell them that over the last 6 years, we have 31 USA Today academic All-Americans - more than ANY other University, and among public Universities, we are tied with Cal Riverside, Nebraska, and Kansas - supposedly superior - and higher than Arizona, Missouri, Oklahoma, Washington St, Oregon, AZ St, UTah, and Colorado - all supposedly superior schools in these superior conferences (assuming Utah goes to the PAc-10).

Thes perception that are perpetuated as fact really bother me sometimes.
 
You can't expect people like Cowherd to know anything about Alabama, they're basing their claims off of nothing. This whole Texas is supperior in academics BS makes me sick.
 
I went to Bama and currently live in Texas. UT's academics are so freaking overrated it is hilarious. Is it a better school than Bama? Sure, by a little. But I bet some Bama programs are better, like accounting. Texas is a good school, but I swear if you ever meet their alumni, the arrogance is staggering. Texas isn't even a top 10 public school in the US. Texas is at 47 tied with UF and Bama is tied at 96. Meet a texas alum and they will lump Texas in with the Cals, UVAs, and NDs.

Also, consider the fact that Texas was fine in the Big12, which is probably a worse academic conference than the SEC if you really get into the ratings. Texas is the best school in the Big 12 while we have Vandy who's in a league above UT, and UGA and UF who are in the same conversation.

So since I'm simply a poorly educated UA alum, I'll just say that academics had dick to do with UT coming to the SEC.
 
I went to Bama and currently live in Texas. UT's academics are so freaking overrated it is hilarious. Is it a better school than Bama? Sure, by a little. But I bet some Bama programs are better, like accounting. Texas is a good school, but I swear if you ever meet their alumni, the arrogance is staggering. Texas isn't even a top 10 public school in the US. Texas is at 47 tied with UF and Bama is tied at 96. Meet a texas alum and they will lump Texas in with the Cals, UVAs, and NDs.

Also, consider the fact that Texas was fine in the Big12, which is probably a worse academic conference than the SEC if you really get into the ratings. Texas is the best school in the Big 12 while we have Vandy who's in a league above UT, and UGA and UF who are in the same conversation.

So since I'm simply a poorly educated UA alum, I'll just say that academics had dick to do with UT coming to the SEC.

That is very interesting to hear. My wife has two degrees from Bama and some of the Alabama programs are quite good like engineering and music. Personally, I went to a private catholic university in Washington, DC, but I have always been impressed by Bama graduates I have met in my business circles.
 
Scarbinsky takes issue with Chip's assessment of Alabama academics.

Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com has done a first-rate job of covering the expansion story centered around the Big 12. In discussing that subject Tuesday on ``The Herd'' with Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio, Brown relayed a shot at Alabama he heard from a Big 12 AD.
``I was told by an athletic director in the Big 12 that Alabama's academic standards are lower than all 12 schools that used to be in the Big 12,'' Brown said. <!-- -->
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You can go here, then scroll down to click on Brown's interview. For the part about Alabama, go to the 6:20 mark.

My reaction: Wow. That's a powerful condemnation to allow someone to make anonymously on a national radio show.

I asked Alabama for a response, and the school provided a strong statement from faculty athletics representative Joe Hornsby:

"The academic policies for admission and retention at the University do not discriminate between students and student-athletes; the same standards apply for both populations. In one area, progress toward degree accountability, student-athletes are held to a more rigorous standard than non-athletes.

"As well, teams are directly impacted by a student-athlete’s classroom performance as measured by the Academic Progress Rate, so it is in the best interest of our athletic programs to recruit students who will do well in the classroom.

"The APR scores for most University of Alabama teams indicate a high success rate in the classroom for athletes."

In that radio interview, Brown didn't define what that Big 12 AD meant by academic standards, but there's one way to compare actual academic performance in which Alabama measures up quite favorably with its Big 12 counterparts.

The NCAA last week released its latest APR numbers, which measure how well student-athletes progress toward a degree.

Consider the following facts for the four-year rolling averages from 2005-06 through 2008-09:
Alabama's football program scored a 957 for that period.

That score was higher than 10 of the 12 Big 12 schools before Nebraska announced it was leaving for the Big Ten and Colorado said it was leaving for the Pac-10.

Alabama's score of 957 was higher than the Texas score of 947.

Among Big 12 schools, only Oklahoma (962) and Missouri (958) scored higher than Alabama, but just barely.

Four SEC schools -- Vanderbilt (975), Georgia (973), Florida (971) and LSU (965) -- scored higher than Oklahoma, the highest-scoring Big 12 school.

How many times did we read during the last few weeks that Texas wouldn't consider moving to the SEC because it considers itself academically superior to SEC schools?

Texas may think that way, and Texas may be a fine academic institution, but there are two problems with that argument.

SEC schools are not junior colleges on steroids, and academics had nothing to do with the Big 12 staying together. Money and politics did.
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2010/06/alabamas_a_lot_smarter_than_th.html
 
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I'm not going to despute the obvious: too much emphasis is placed on athletics in this state. Alabama spends most of her time as a state worrying more about high school and college football, basketball, baseball at all levels than it does on SAT scores or building it's own infrastructure. I don't need to list examples of poor, poor public school programs with stellar athletic programs. Or, more often, underachieving schools, not bad, just underachieving, with million dollar athletic programs.

In defense of this fine state, however, TEXAS IS PROBABLY WORSE. The emphasis placed on amateur athletics for all ages and really, all sexes, is rediculous and delisional. Every kid that dons a football helmet and cleats or plays for the Red Sox Little League Team is not going to be the next big thing. Let 'em have fun, but let them LEARN. Encourage the learning. Not winning at all costs.
 
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