🏈 BREAKING: Florida starting QB suspended for rest of season

[wiregrass_bamaguy]

Kinda sad if he honestly bought a product with banned ingredients and is suspended a year while some coaches will only suspend a player for a game for smoking pot

 

[UAgrad93]

From what I heard, he took an OTC to fight the flu that he was battling the week of their Ole Piss game. As usual, the NCAA tests a sample of those on the participation list. The NCAA has a similar list of banned substances a lot like the Olympic Committee. They suspend you for a year for these that come from OTCs but only a game or two for weed.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Kinda sad if he honestly bought a product with banned ingredients and is suspended a year while some coaches will only suspend a player for a game for smoking pot

Complete BS.

 

[OldPlayer]

From what I heard, he took an OTC to fight the flu that he was battling the week of their Ole Piss game. As usual, the NCAA tests a sample of those on the participation list. The NCAA has a similar list of banned substances a lot like the Olympic Committee. They suspend you for a year for these that come from OTCs but only a game or two for weed.

He put on 43 pounds from last year. Not a flu issue.

 

[Bamabww]

Bummer. @TerryP, Ole Lester's prayers have been answered. Knowing Les the way we do, I'll bet he doesn't play LF just to even the odds a little bit.

:sarcasm:

 

[BigAl]

You would think if its an over the counter drug it would be legal. But that shows what i know about it. Seems to me somebody needs to change their reference point. You could tell he was very sincere in his interview, i think it was just an honest mistake on his part but......

 

[JoshB]

From what I heard, he took an OTC to fight the flu that he was battling the week of their Ole Piss game. As usual, the NCAA tests a sample of those on the participation list. The NCAA has a similar list of banned substances a lot like the Olympic Committee. They suspend you for a year for these that come from OTCs but only a game or two for weed.

Okay I agree its stupid if its something as simple as something he was taking to battle the flu (I find it hard to believe but whatever) but do we have to turn this into another useless war on weed discussion? Weed is about the furthest thing from a performance enhancer.

 

[JoshB]

Kudo's to CJM for handling this head on.

LSU is still gonna have their hands full.

How else was he gonna handle it tho? It wasnt his decision to suspend him, the NCAA mandates it.

 

[UAgrad93]

Okay I agree its stupid if its something as simple as something he was taking to battle the flu (I find it hard to believe but whatever) but do we have to turn this into another useless war on weed discussion? Weed is about the furthest thing from a performance enhancer.

Not making it a "war on weed"! I was making the point that while one banned substance can be bought legally everyday by anyone with a pulse, the kid loses a year. Meanwhile, an illegal drug, simply gets you a game or two suspension. The Harris kid that Grier won the job from was suspended earlier for popping positive for weed. The punishments don't fit!
As far as finding it hard to believe, it was reported the Friday before their game with Ole Piss, that Grier was fighting the flu and they didn't know if he would even be available Saturday night. Just go look at the IOC listing for banned substances. It is more or less copied by the NCAA and most of that shit is found in OTC stuff. If a player takes Nyquil and pisses for the test, he very well may pop positive because of one of the drugs in it. It's bullshit! He should have checked with team doctor or training staff though. They have a big ass book full of the do's and don'ts.

 

[utstnx]

Depends on how much money daddy has...and how good daddy's attorney is. When's the last time the company that did the test calibrate/test there machines....could it be user error in testing.....or can they document the chain to insure the samples where not tampered with. Attorney could argue that until these issues are fully answered..... he is I ocent until proven guilty. If scam Newton can get away from the NCAA....it should be easy enough to argue that there could be some error in the testing.

 

[OldPlayer]

Not making it a "war on weed"! I was making the point that while one banned substance can be bought legally everyday by anyone with a pulse, the kid loses a year. Meanwhile, an illegal drug, simply gets you a game or two suspension. The Harris kid that Grier won the job from was suspended earlier for popping positive for weed. The punishments don't fit!
As far as finding it hard to believe, it was reported the Friday before their game with Ole Piss, that Grier was fighting the flu and they didn't know if he would even be available Saturday night. Just go look at the IOC listing for banned substances. It is more or less copied by the NCAA and most of that shit is found in OTC stuff. If a player takes Nyquil and pisses for the test, he very well may pop positive because of one of the drugs in it. It's bullshit! He should have checked with team doctor or training staff though. They have a big ass book full of the do's and don'ts.

I'm sure the team doctors provided a long list of what was approved and not approved. This wasn't an oops. He was taking something without the knowledge of the team doctors and coaches. Otherwise, the coaches and staff would be falling all over themselves to take the blame to try and get him reinstated.

 

[planomateo]

How else was he gonna handle it tho? It wasnt his decision to suspend him, the NCAA mandates it.

He had a press conference vs having a public relations person send out a press release.

 

[TerryP]

.or can they document the chain to insure the samples where not tampered with. Attorney could argue that until these issues are fully answered

It's been what ... 10 years or more since we—as a fan base—have had to "deal" with a suspension like this. So, my memory may not be spot on ... BUT, as I recall ...

There are two different test for positive results on things like PED's. One, if positive, turns into a second test just to verify results.

It's been a LONG time since Todd Bates suspension so I very, very easily could be forgetting things.

As usual, the NCAA tests a sample of those on the participation list

I'm curious where you're pulling that from. It's my understanding these participation list names are pulled from come from a few, select games per year. IE: We're are a few months removed from Helfrich making some off-the-cuff comment during one of his pressers about some Bama players being ineligible for the playoffs (a story firmly refuted.) I know some of these "mandatory test" are pre-season, I know a lot of them are post-season before bowl games, etc. ... and occasionally we'll see them during the season.

Something about the timing doesn't sit right with me. I can see this being a pre-season test and it taking a few weeks for confirmation from the first test. I have a hard time seeing him taking something for Friday's bout with the flu, a test being done and results offered immediately.

 

[PhillyGirl]

I'm sure the team doctors provided a long list of what was approved and not approved. This wasn't an oops. He was taking something without the knowledge of the team doctors and coaches. Otherwise, the coaches and staff would be falling all over themselves to take the blame to try and get him reinstated.

I got that list in (public) high school on the swim team. I was so paranoid about it. He had to be aware to look out for x y and z banned substances.

 

[UAgrad93]

It's been what ... 10 years or more since we—as a fan base—have had to "deal" with a suspension like this. So, my memory may not be spot on ... BUT, as I recall ...

There are two different test for positive results on things like PED's. One, if positive, turns into a second test just to verify results.

It's been a LONG time since Todd Bates suspension so I very, very easily could be forgetting things.



I'm curious where you're pulling that from. It's my understanding these participation list names are pulled from come from a few, select games per year. IE: We're are a few months removed from Helfrich making some off-the-cuff comment during one of his pressers about some Bama players being ineligible for the playoffs (a story firmly refuted.) I know some of these "mandatory test" are pre-season, I know a lot of them are post-season before bowl games, etc. ... and occasionally we'll see them during the season.

Something about the timing doesn't sit right with me. I can see this being a pre-season test and it taking a few weeks for confirmation from the first test. I have a hard time seeing him taking something for Friday's bout with the flu, a test being done and results offered immediately.

@TerryP, I'm just drawing off of my own personal experiences with the drug tests during my time there as a walk on. Then, there was always 20-25 that were tested each week. I always found it quite amusing that a 185 lb. walk on that didn't dress or travel, was tested for 6 straight weeks! I'm sure the process has changed. You are probably more on track with pre and post season tests.

 

[TerryP]

I'm sure the process has changed. You are probably more on track with pre and post season tests.

If I'm not mistaken, NCAA test only occur (per team) a few times a year. It's one of the primary reasons we don't see more suspensions.

This one smells of a test done in the pre-season.

 

[planomateo]

Sounds like he failed the wrong test, aka NCAA test, which has punishment written in stone.

Bigger picture, I don't agree with it considering all the other stuff that goes on and the terms of other punishments. But it's been the rules for a long time.

 

[RollllTide!]

BS Alert BS Alert BS Alert

Caution a college football player that is a quarterback doesn't know what substances are banned by the NCAA?

 

[mrchase]

In the military we had substances that were banned that were ingredients in workout supplements........that are sold on base at GNC. I've known people to fail drug test because of it. Not saying this the case in this situation. .....but it happens

 

[JoshB]

In the military we had substances that were banned that were ingredients in workout supplements........that are sold on base at GNC. I've known people to fail drug test because of it. Not saying this the case in this situation. .....but it happens

That sounds a helluva lot more plausible then this BS story they are trying to get out there about flu medicine.