šŸˆ Bob Stoops calls SEC dominance 'propaganda'; Nick Saban calls it animosity because of league's succe

planomateo

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Posting this for all the Stoops lovers :)

But I'm really singling one person out.



http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.a...ality_Stoops_says/20130507_29_B1_TheSou441551

John Hoover: SEC's myth trumps its reality, Stoops says
BY JOHN E. HOOVER World Sports Columnist
Tuesday, May 07, 2013
5/07/13 at 12:08 PM

The Southeastern Conference just won its seventh consecutive national championship, just had a record 63 players selected in the NFL draft (more than twice as many as any other league) and just signed a blockbuster 20-year deal with ESPN to create a network that will pay SEC schools more money than Boone Pickens can shake a windmill at.

But Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said Monday during a Sooner Caravan stop in Tulsa that he's not worried.

Big 12 Conference schools and others around the nation don't have to close some mythical gap.

"Well, it depends on what gap you're talking about," Stoops said. "What are the bottom six doing?"

That's a fair point.

Four of those bottom six did so poorly last year that their coaches got fired. The year before, two SEC coaches were canned. The year before that, it was three.

The only new coach in the Big 12 this season is at Texas Tech, where it seems Tommy Tuberville found himself a better fit in Cincinnati.

As far as that bloated NFL Draft number - one-quarter of the total players drafted last week were from the SEC - it's much the same way: 46 of the 63 came from the top half of the league. The other seven schools produced just 17 draft picks.

Stoops is right about one thing: the bottom of the SEC is no great place to be.

"So they've had the best team in college football," Stoops said. "They haven't had the whole conference. Because, again, half of 'em haven't done much at all. I'm just asking you. You tell me."

The problem for the have-nots is not that Alabama has won three of the last four national championships. It's that, since 2006, Florida has won two and LSU has won one and Auburn has won one. That's four schools winning seven national titles.

It creates an aura of "Who's next?"

And maybe the biggest problem of all is that, for the foreseeable future, is that the top SEC schools will always get the benefit of the doubt in the eyes of pollsters or computers or the College Football Playoff selection committee because of the widely accepted perception that the SEC is America's Best Conference.

Powerhouse LSU only beat Ole Miss by six points? Well, that's because Ole Miss is in the SEC. That makes them great. Sure, they didn't have a winning record or go to a bowl game, but that's because they're in the SEC and, well, the rest of the SEC is just a little bit greater this year.

And pay no mind to the inconvenient fact that Ole Miss was plowed at The Grove by some team from Texas - oh, wait, it WAS Texas, the fifth- or sixth-best team in the Big 12 Conference last year. Yeah, best ignore that one.

And conference runner-up Georgia only beat Kentucky by five points? Well, that's because Kentucky is in the SEC, and, by gosh if you don't already know this one, that makes them pretty great, too. They didn't have a winning record, either - OK, they went 2-10, which included 0-8 against the SEC - but hey, it's the SEC.

And please don't look over there where it says Kentucky was routed by cross-state rival Louisville. Or the one where it says the Wildcats lost in overtime to I-AA Western Kentucky.

Surely, Stoops' point is clear now.

"It depends on who you want to listen to," Stoops said. "Listen, they've had the best team in college football, meaning they've won the national championship. That doesn't mean everything else is always the best."

Really, there is no more debate that the SEC is college football's King Kong. It is. But while the natives may blindly worship their giant ape, not every school is a 40-foot gorilla with its own island.

The SEC has had some amazing good fortune during its seven-year conquest.

In 2006, Florida jumped Michigan for the No. 2 spot in the BCS title game after voters decided against an Ohio State-Michigan rematch.

In 2007, two-loss LSU jumped five spots after No. 2 West Virginia was upset by rival Pittsburgh and No. 1 Missouri was trounced by Oklahoma.

In 2008, Tim Tebow's "Braveheart" speech captured voters' imagination after an inexplicable midseason loss to Ole Miss.

In 2010, well, Auburn had Cam Newton.

The gap, Stoops believes, is not as wide as everyone thinks.

"So you're listening to a lot of propaganda that gets fed out to you," he said. "You're more than smart enough to figure it out. Again, you can look at the top two, three, four, five, six teams, and you can look at the bottom six, seven, eight, whatever they are. How well are they all doing?

"What'd we (the Big 12) have, eight of 10 teams in bowl games this year? Again, you figure it all out."
 
WTF happened to his face...

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Stoops is 3-3 against the SEC since he took over at OU. He has lost his last three games.

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[TD="align: center"]Score[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Record[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Year Rank[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Div.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Conf Record[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-01-2002[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10-3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](7-5-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](33/33)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](29/30)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-4-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-07-2002[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]H[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Alabama[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37-27[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](10-3-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](11/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](31/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](6-2-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-06-2003[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]V[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Alabama[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20-13[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-9-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](27/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](2-6-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-04-2004[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]LSU[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14-21[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](13-1-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](2/1)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](2/2)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](7-1-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-08-2009[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Florida[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14-24[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](13-1-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](1/1)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](1/2)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](7-1-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-04-2013[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Texas A&M[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13-41[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](11-2-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](5/5)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](10/9)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](6-2-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
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OU football, since the first part of the last decade, has become a myth.

He wants to talk about the bottom half of our conference. Out of his three wins, two came against teams that were...you got it, at the bottom of the conference at the time.
 
travisreier: You know, Bob could've taken over at UT and shown everyone how easy it is to win nine games in the SEC at a storied program.

travisreier: You know, Bob could've taken over at UT and shown everyone how easy it is to win nine games in the SEC at a storied program.

More...
 
Damn you Matt!!!

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[TD="width: 50%"]Big 12 team records vs SEC teams
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[TD="width: 50%"]Years 1998-2012
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Showing Actual Game Results[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Pos[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Team[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Record[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Points[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Opps Rec (-HtH)[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]1.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (4-1-0)--0.80000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (32.40-19.40) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (30-27-0)--0.52632[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]2.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Texas [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (5-3-0)--0.62500 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (33.50-24.25) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (61-32-0)--0.65591[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]3.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Oklahoma [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (3-4-0)--0.42857 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (19.00-22.29) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (62-22-0)--0.73810[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]3.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Oklahoma St. [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (3-4-0)--0.42857 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (22.86-25.71) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (58-25-0)--0.69880[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]5.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Texas Tech [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (2-3-0)--0.40000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (30.60-33.60) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (40-18-0)--0.68966[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]6.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Kansas St. [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-2-0)--0.33333 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (21.33-24.33) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (26-9-0)--0.74286[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]6.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Nebraska [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-2-0)--0.33333 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (22.67-21.67) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (25-10-0)--0.71429[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]6.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Colorado [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-2-0)--0.33333 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (22.00-23.67) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (20-16-0)--0.55556[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]9.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Iowa St. [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-1-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (13.00-14.00) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (6-5-0)--0.54545[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]9.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Texas A&M [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-7-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (23.71-39.86) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (59-24-0)--0.71084[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](20-29-0)--0.40816[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](25.57-26.47)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](387-188-0)--0.67304[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
The two teams with winning records against the SEC?!?!

MIZZOU:
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[TD][/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Date[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]H/V[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Opponent[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]W/L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Score[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Record[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Year Rank[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Game Rank[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Div.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Conf[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Conf Record[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]12-31-2003[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14-27[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](9-4-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](27/27)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-4-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]12-30-2005[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]South Carolina[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38-31[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](7-5-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](38/31)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](27/29)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](5-3-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-09-2006[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]H[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Mississippi[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]34-7[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-8-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](2-6-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-08-2007[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]V[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Mississippi[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38-25[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](3-9-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0-8-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-01-2008[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38-7[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](8-5-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](31/39)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](25/24)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-4-0)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Date[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]H/V[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Opponent[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]W/L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Score[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Record[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Year Rank[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Game Rank[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Div.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Conf[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Conf Record[/TD]
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</tbody><tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-01-1999[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Mississippi St.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38-11[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](8-5-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](29/26)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](25/23)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](6-2-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-01-2000[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6-27[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](8-4-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](17/19)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](24/28)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-4-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-01-2003[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]LSU[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35-20[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](8-5-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](31/30)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](26/25)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](5-3-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-13-2003[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]H[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]28-38[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](9-4-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](27/27)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](33/41)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-4-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-11-2004[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]V[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]22-20[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](5-6-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](37/39)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](3-5-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-27-2008[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]H[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]52-10[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](5-7-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](2-6-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-07-2010[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Alabama[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]21-37[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](14-0-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](1/1)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](1/1)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](8-0-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-15-2012[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]V[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Mississippi[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]66-31[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](7-6-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/43)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](3-5-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
Big-12: "Our 6 worst teams are better than your 6 worst teams!"
:headscratch: Why would anyone even care? Its like fighting over who gets to sit at the front of the short bus.

SEC: "Ok, and how have your top teams fared against the SEC top teams?"
[crickets]

JOHN E. HOOVER logic: "since Western KY beat UK, and UGA barely beat UK, and Bama barely beat UGA, then the big-12 is better league" :chat_headscratch:
Seriously JOHN E. HOOVER? How about this one? Irish beat the Sooners 30-13 in Norman. Bama beat the Irish 42-14 in BCSCG.
Or this one: Texas A&M, a team that didn't even win its own division in the SEC, beat the Sooners (the Big-12 Champ) in the Cotton Bowl 41-13.

So the BEST team in the Big-12 got beat 41-13 by the 3rd best team in the SEC West. Did Manziel even play the 4th quarter? LOL
:chat2_mooning:@ Bob Stoops and JOHN E. HOOVER

And don't give me that "A&M was the hottest team in the country at the end of the year" crap. Ole Miss sucked early in the season (brand new coaching staff) when they got drubbed by Texas and finished the year pretty strong. They still suck though because they are Ole Miss so congrats to Texas on doing something that Bama does every year, dunking Ole Miss.
 
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Big-12: "Our 6 worst teams are better than your 6 worst teams!"
:headscratch: Why would anyone even care? Its like fighting over who gets to sit at the front of the short bus.

SEC: "Ok, and how have your top teams fared against the SEC top teams?"
[crickets]

JOHN E. HOOVER logic: "since Western KY beat UK, and UGA barely beat UK, and Bama barely beat UGA, then the big-12 is better league" :chat_headscratch:
Seriously JOHN E. HOOVER? How about this one? Irish beat the Sooners 30-13 in Norman. Bama beat the Irish 42-14 in BCSCG.
Or this one: Texas A&M, a team that didn't even win its own division in the SEC, beat the Sooners (the Big-12 Champ) in the Cotton Bowl 41-13.

So the BEST team in the Big-12 got beat 41-13 by the 3rd best team in the SEC West. Did Manziel even play the 4th quarter? LOL
:chat2_mooning:@ Bob Stoops and JOHN E. HOOVER

And don't give me that "A&M was the hottest team in the country at the end of the year" crap. Ole Miss sucked early in the season (brand new coaching staff) when they got drubbed by Texas and finished the year pretty strong. They still suck though because they are Ole Miss so congrats to Texas on doing something that Bama does every year, dunking Ole Miss.

For the hell of it...when a Big12 team was .500 in conference play or less vs an SEC team under the same criteria...BCS era again...

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<tbody>[TR]
[TD="width: 50%"]Big 12 team records vs SEC teams[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]Years 1998-2012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Showing Actual Game Results[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Teams with conf win perc from 0.000 to .500[/TD]
[TD]Opps with conf win perc from 0.000 to .500[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: basicTable"]
<tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #ffffff"]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Pos[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Team[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Record[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Points[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Opps Rec (-HtH)[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody><tbody>[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]1.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Oklahoma St. [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-0-0)--1.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (34.00-31.00) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (6-6-0)--0.50000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]2.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-1-0)--0.50000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (24.00-17.00) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (12-11-0)--0.52174[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]3.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Colorado [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-2-0)--0.33333 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (22.00-23.67) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (20-16-0)--0.55556[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]4.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Texas Tech [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-1-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (18.00-35.00) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (6-5-0)--0.54545[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]4.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Iowa St. [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-1-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (13.00-14.00) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (6-5-0)--0.54545[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]4.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Nebraska [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-1-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (23.00-27.00) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (6-6-0)--0.50000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]4.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Texas A&M [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-2-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (19.50-45.50) [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (14-10-0)--0.58333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](3-8-0)--0.27273[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](21.91-27.55)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](70-59-0)--0.54264[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
Stoops is 3-3 against the SEC since he took over at OU. He has lost his last three games.

[TABLE="class: tableBorder"]
<tbody>[TR="class: tableLedger"]
[TD="align: center"]Date[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]H/V[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Opponent[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]W/L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Score[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Record[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Year Rank[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Game Rank[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Div.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Conf[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Conf Record[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-01-2002[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10-3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](7-5-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](33/33)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](29/30)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-4-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-07-2002[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]H[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Alabama[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37-27[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](10-3-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](11/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](31/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](6-2-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]09-06-2003[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]V[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Alabama[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20-13[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](4-9-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](0/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](27/0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](2-6-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-04-2004[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]LSU[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14-21[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](13-1-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](2/1)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](2/2)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](7-1-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-08-2009[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Florida[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14-24[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](13-1-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](1/1)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](1/2)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](7-1-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]01-04-2013[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]N[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Texas A&M[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"]L[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13-41[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](11-2-0)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"](5/5)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #a9a9a9, align: center"](10/9)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9A9A9, align: center"]IA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: left"]SEC [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC, align: center"](6-2-0)[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]


OU football, since the first part of the last decade, has become a myth.

He wants to talk about the bottom half of our conference. Out of his three wins, two came against teams that were...you got it, at the bottom of the conference at the time.
Weren't 2 of those wins vs. Mike Shula and Fran?
You da man Bob!
 
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Weren't 2 of those wins vs. Mike Shula and Fran?
You da man Bob!

Yeppers!

I'll give him this. The 2002 game was a solid win for OU. A game we came very close to winning.

And, that 2003 W over Bama in Shula's first year?!?! Without that fake punt it would have likely been a OU loss. He was pulling tricks out of his hat to win that one.

That 2003 class still had a lot of John Blake's players on it...in fact, all three wins were teams that were mixed between Stoops recruits and Blake's.

Those teams that were all Stoops? All losses.
 
Yeah we were a Tyler Watts fumble away from a win in 2002.....

I always found it hilarious that OU would average 40+ ppg in conference then play a top tier SEC defense and get lucky to score 14. Guess that's what happens when your entire league plays flag football.
 
Maybe these knuckleheads think Nebraska is still in Big-8/12
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD="width: 50%"]Records for Nebraska vs teams of the SEC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]Years 1900-2012[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Showing Actual Game Results[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: basicTable"]
<tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #ffffff"]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Pos[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Team[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Record[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Points[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"]Opps Rec (-HtH)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]1.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Tennessee [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (2-0-0)--1.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](36.50-19.00)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (20-3-0)--0.86957[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]1.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Florida [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (2-0-0)--1.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](37.50-17.00)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (20-3-0)--0.86957[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]1.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Mississippi St. [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-0-0)--1.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](31.00-17.00)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (9-2-0)--0.81818[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]4.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] LSU [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (5-0-1)--0.91667 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](18.67-11.67)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (44-18-2)--0.70312[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]5.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Auburn [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (3-1-0)--0.75000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](21.25-8.50)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (33-10-0)--0.76744[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]6.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Georgia [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (1-1-0)--0.50000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](38.00-25.50)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (16-6-1)--0.71739[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]7.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Alabama [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (2-3-0)--0.40000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](21.40-24.60)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (50-2-1)--0.95283[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]8.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] South Carolina [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-1-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](13.00-30.00)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (10-2-0)--0.83333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"]8.[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] Mississippi [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (0-1-0)--0.00000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"](23.00-27.00)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF8DC"] (6-6-0)--0.50000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](16-7-1)--0.68750[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](24.79-17.67)[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #d2d2d2"](208-52-4)--0.79545[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
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"Powerhouse LSU only beat Ole Miss by six points? Well, that's because Ole Miss is in the SEC. That makes them great. Sure, they didn't have a winning record or go to a bowl game, but that's because they're in the SEC and, well, the rest of the SEC is just a little bit greater this year."

I cant believe I missed this gem the first read of this article.

Apparently fact checking isn't John Hoover's strong suit. Ole Miss went 7-6 and pounded Pitt in the Papa John's Bowl in Birmingham, right down the road from me.
 
Powerhouse LSU only beat Ole Miss by six points? Well, that's because Ole Miss is in the SEC. That makes them great. Sure, they didn't have a winning record or go to a bowl game, but that's because they're in the SEC and, well, the rest of the SEC is just a little bit greater this year.

.........um wrong. Ole Miss not only went bowling, but beat Pitt at the almighty BBVA bowl here in the big Salty.
 
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