🏈 Bama played only 35 players against Ole Siss.

[Bamabww]

Good read. One interesting point I hadn't noticed:

Somewhat shockingly considering the depth of the roster and three injuries to important players, Alabama's participation chart only shows 35 players seeing the field in the entire game. By contrast, Ole Miss put a more normal 58 players on the field. I wouldn't rule this out as the reason that Alabama clearly lost the 4th quarter, despite holding the ball for 75 plays to the Rebel Ackbars' Black Bears (hence "RBBs") 63.

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2014/10/6/6915817/ole-miss-from-the-couch

 

[rick4bama]

Thanks for posting this.

 

[musso]

i have often wondered why we don't play more players considering the number of 5 and 4-star recruits we sign every year. i realize on defense, it takes a while to learn Saban's system, but given today's "dumbed-down" HUNH offenses, why not simplify the defensive schemes and put your athletes on the field to make instinctive plays?? i realize control freaks like Saban don't like to "let go," but it seems we need a simpler defensive approach. this would also help minimize the "knowledge deficit" caused by regularly losing players to the NFL. put more emphasis on athleticism and less on scheme.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

i have often wondered why we don't play more players considering the number of 5 and 4-star recruits we sign every year. i realize on defense, it takes a while to learn Saban's system, but given today's "dumbed-down" HUNH offenses, why not simplify the defensive schemes and put your athletes on the field to make instinctive plays?? i realize control freaks like Saban don't like to "let go," but it seems we need a simpler defensive approach. this would also help minimize the "knowledge deficit" caused by regularly losing players to the NFL. put more emphasis on athleticism and less on scheme.

I think it is a toss up... but for CNS defense to be what we normally see, it needs to have at least one veteran on the team who has the ability & where with all to know what he is doing. Depriest is not that guy.

The 2011 D had several. Barron, Upshaw, Hightower, in the very least. Arguably Mosely & Harris (who finally figured it out his senior year). We just don't have it now & I cannot think of a single player who couldn't use another year. If that happens I see 2015 setting up very similarly to 2011.

 

[riz]

Very un-Sabanlike.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I believe it's wrong. My logic meter made me question this stat, so I took a few minutes to check and I believe we played a bunch more guys. Bozeman's not on the list, and he replaced Kelly. Rashaan Evans (32), Dillon Lee (25), ArDarius Stewart (13) and Tim Williams (56) are all in the main screen of the opening kickoff and they aren't on the participation list. Go to the 8 minute mark of the video. The list only shows us playing two extra D-linemen (Brandon Ivory and Pettway). No way that's right, either.

EDIT: Reuben Foster (10) and Tenpenny (28) both on KO return, and Lee (25) was on Ole Miss' FG attempt as well.

RTR,

Tim

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/05ua-om.html#GAME.PRE

 

[alabama mike]

Not good if this correct. I realize some players play on a lot of different teams but if you take the starting offense and defense you have 22, throwing in 2 other RB, another TE, a punter, kickoff man, long snapper and an extra center that brings us to a total of 29 not counting any other special team players. I would think more than 6 other players saw action in the game. 35 is very low at this level.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

In many cases, Saban is just stubborn. It's also the NFL in him to a large degree.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

In many cases, Saban is just stubborn. It's also the NFL in him to a large degree.

Bran, see my post up a couple. Participation stat is way off. He played more.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Bran, see my post up a couple. Participation stat is way off. He played more.

I saw it before I had posted... I wasn't very clear, but I wasn't talking specifically about the OM game, just his philosophy in general.

 

[Bamabww]

@It Takes Eleven, I wondered about the participation numbers as you and finally found where his numbers came from: RollTide.com charts. Here's what they have:
Participation Report
Participation Report (Final)
2014 Alabama Football
#1 Alabama vs [HASHTAG]#11[/HASHTAG] Ole Miss (Oct 04, 2014 at Oxford, Miss.)
Alabama
Pos ## Offense
LT 74 Cam Robinson
LG 77 Arie Kouandjio
C 70 Ryan Kelly
RG 72 Leon Brown
RT 79 Austin Shepherd
FB 45 Jalston Fowler
QB 6 Blake Sims
RB 4 T.J. Yeldon
WR 9 Amari Cooper
Z 22 Christion Jones
H 2 DeAndrew White
Alabama
Pos ## Defense
DE 93 Jonathan Allen
NG 86 A. Robinson
DE 90 Jarran Reed
SLB 30 Denzel Devall
MLB 33 Trey Depriest
WLB 19 Reggie Ragland
CB 5 Cyrus Jones
SS 26 Landon Collins
FS 2D Nick Perry
STAR 20 J. Williams
CB 2A Tony Brown

Ole Miss
Pos ## Offense
WR 1A L. Treadwell
LT 78 Laremy Tunsil
LG 72 Aaron Morris
C 64 Ben Still
RG 68 Justin Bell
RT 74 Fahn Cooper
TE 17 Evan Engram
TE 1L Jeremy Liggins
WR 88 Cody Core
QB 14 Bo Wallace
RB 6A Jaylen Walton
Ole Miss
Pos ## Defense
DE 90 Fadol Brown
DT 5B R. Nkemdiche
NT 95 Bryon Bennett
DE 10 C.J. Johnson
SLB 4B D. Nkemdiche
MLB 38 D. Shackelford
HUSK 12 Tony Conner
FCB 21 Senquez Golson
ROV 7B Trae Elston
FS 25 Cody Prewitt
BCB 28 Mike Hilton
Alabama: 1-Chris Black, 7A-Ryan Anderson, 9B-Adam Griffith, 15-JK Scott, 17-Kenyan Drake, 21-Maurice Smith, 24-Geno Smith, 27-Derrick Henry, 47-Xzavier Dickson, 57-D.J. Pettway, 84-Brian Vogler, 88-O.J. Howard, 99-Brandon Ivory.
Ole Miss: 1S-Vince Sanders, 1W-Channing Ward, 1F-S. Bryant, 2M-C.J. Moore, 3B-C.J. Hampton, 5A-I. Mathers, 6B-Cliff Coleman, 7A-Mark Dodson, 8A-Q. Adeboyejo, 8B-Kailo Moore, 9G-Will Gleeson, 9A-Ryan Buchanan, 11-Markell Pack, 15-K. Webster, 19-Derrick Jones, 20-C. Russell, 22-Jordan Wilkins, 23-Tayler Polk, 24-Keith Lewis, 27-Marquis Haynes, 29-David Kamara, 30-A.J. Moore, 31-DeMarquis Gates, 32-Temario Strong, 34-Nicholas Parker, 45-Lavon Hooks, 47-John Youngblood, 48-Carlton Martin, 54-Carlos Thompson, 56-W. Hamilton, 59-Will Denny, 73-Rod Taylor, 75-Robert Conyers, 93-Andrew Fletcher, 94-Issac Gross, 97-Gary Wunderlich.

But as you pointed out, there are several players missing from this chart. Kinda sloppy stat keeping, don't you think?

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/05ua-om.html#GAME.PRE

 

[Bamabww]

Something else Ole Miss did better than us. Notice the difference in the Ole Miss Stats:

Participation Report
Participation Report (Final)
2014 OLE MISS REBEL FOOTBALL
#1 Alabama vs [HASHTAG]#11[/HASHTAG] Ole Miss (Oct 04, 2014 at Oxford, Miss.)
Alabama
Pos ## Offense
LT 74 Cam Robinson
LG 77 Arie Kouandjio
C 70 Ryan Kelly
RG 72 Leon Brown
RT 79 Austin Shepherd
FB 45 Jalston Fowler
QB 6 Blake Sims
RB 4 T.J. Yeldon
WR 9 Amari Cooper
Z 22 Christion Jones
H 2 DeAndrew White
Alabama
Pos ## Defense
DE 93 Jonathan Allen
NG 86 A. Robinson
DE 90 Jarran Reed
SLB 30 Denzel Devall
MLB 33 Trey DePriest
WLB 19 Reggie Ragland
CB 5 Cyrus Jones
SS 26 Landon Collins
FS 2D Nick Perry
STAR 20 J. Williams
CB 2A Tony Brown

Ole Miss
Pos ## Offense
WR 1A L. Treadwell
LT 78 Laremy Tunsil
LG 72 Aaron Morris
C 64 Ben Still
RG 68 Justin Bell
RT 74 Fahn Cooper
TE 17 Evan Engram
TE 1L Jeremy Liggins
WR 88 Cody Core
QB 14 Bo Wallace
RB 6A Jaylen Walton
Ole Miss
Pos ## Defense
DE 90 Fadol Brown
DT 5B R. Nkemdiche
NT 95 Bryon Bennett
DE 10 C.J. Johnson
SLB 4B D. Nkemdiche
MLB 38 D. Shackelford
HUSK 12 Tony Conner
FCB 21 Senquez Golson
ROV 7B Trae Elston
FS 25 Cody Prewitt
BCB 28 Mike Hilton
Alabama: 1-Chris Black, 3-Bradley Sylve, 5A-Cole Mazza, 7A-Ryan Anderson, 8-Robert Foster, 9B-Adam Griffith, 10-Reuben Foster, 11-Shaun Hamilton, 13-A. Stewart, 15-JK Scott, 17-Kenyan Drake, 18-Cooper Bateman, 21-Maurice Smith, 24-Geno Smith, 25-Dillon Lee, 27-Derrick Henry, 28-Altee Tenpenny, 32-Rashaan Evans, 47-Xzavier Dickson, 50-Alphonse Taylor, 54-D. Tomlinson, 56-Tim Williams, 57-D.J. Pettway, 75-Bradley Bozeman, 80-Raheem Falkins, 84-Brian Vogler, 87-P. Barrineau, 88-O.J. Howard, 94-Dakota Ball, 99-Brandon Ivory.
Ole Miss: 1F-S. Bryant, 1S-Vince Sanders, 1W-Channing Ward, 2M-C.J. Moore, 3B-C.J. Hampton, 5A-I. Mathers, 6B-Cliff Coleman, 7A-Mark Dodson, 8B-Kailo Moore, 8A-Q. Adeboyejo, 9G-Will Gleeson, 9A-Ryan Buchanan, 11-Markell Pack, 15-K. Webster, 19-Derrick Jones, 20-C. Russell, 22-Jordan Wilkins, 23-Tayler Polk, 24-Keith Lewis, 27-Marquis Haynes, 29-David Kamara, 30-A.J. Moore, 31-DeMarquis Gates, 32-Temario Strong, 34-Nicholas Parker, 45-Lavon Hooks, 47-John Youngblood, 48-Carlton Martin, 54-Carlos Thompson, 56-W. Hamilton, 59-Will Denny, 73-Rod Taylor, 75-Robert Conyers, 93-Andrew Fletcher, 94-Issac Gross, 97-Gary Wunderlich.

According to them, we played 52 players, if I counted right.

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/om-ua.html

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Thanks, it was clear to me that they were significantly short in our stats.