🏈 Auburn AD says school may claim 7 more national championships

[BAMANEWSBOT]

Auburn has two official national championship banners, one for 1957 and one for 2010. But there may be seven more coming soon.

Auburn AD Jay Jacobs told 247Sports the school might recognize as many as seven more national championship teams in the future. Jacobs’ sentiment is if other schools do it, why don’t we?

“If other schools are using these same polls to declare a national championship, we should at least consider it,” Auburn athletics director Jay Jacobs told the site. “I don’t think there’s a better time for the Auburn family to consider it than right here at the end of the BCS era.

“As we transition into another playoff format for the national champion, I just think we need to look hard at it.”
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The seven other teams Jacobs speaks of is 1910, 1913, 1914, 1958, 1983, 1993 and 2004, where all seven either went undefeated or won the conference championship…or both. The 1913, 1983 and 1993 are recognized in the NCAA record book.

The one team that will stir debate and likely has the best argument was the undefeated 2004 SEC Championship team that was snubbed in the BCS Championship game for undefeated Oklahoma and USC. The Trojans won, and they had to vacate the championship due to the Reggie Bush-NCAA controversy.

And nobody can even begin to mention this argument without mentioning Alabama claiming 15 national championships. Ten of Alabama’s 15 claimed championships came from the AP Poll, Coaches’ Poll or both. The remaining five were pre-World War II titles.

The article notes that Texas A&M declared themselves 1919 and 1927 national champions to bolster their trophy case when they entered the SEC. Minnesota also went as far back as 1904 to claim a title.

“We’re so competitive. We compare ourselves to other schools,” Jacobs said. “If they’re counting something that we’re not counting, and we’re on equal footing, wouldn’t it be wise to count it.

“I think it’s something we need to consider right now. It’s been talked about here and there, but lets get it out there now and look at it and see what we should do.”


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For those who don’t accept Jacob’s argument, he may just declare them un-American.


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[rammerjammer]

I read this on twitter a little while ago. All I could do was grin. How many Aubs are going to have to eat crow for pointing out all of our previous non-existent MNC's. All I could think of was the statement about those in glass houses.

I rank their argument of MNC title claims with an AU grad arguing the fact that they went to Auburn and most Bama fans didn't.

 

[planomateo]

TAMU did something similar in 2012. I can confirm this as I went to a game prior and a game after and noticed a difference in the signage outside of Kyle Field.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Curious how many championships all of the "major" college football powers would have if they claimed every national championship they are acknowledged as having. We would have 4 more. Didn't we decide to add a few a couple of years ago, as well?

 

[252BAMA]

College Football Data Warehouse shows Auburn has been awarded 8 national championships by various polls and Alabama has been awarded 28 national championships by various outlets. Those are CFDW's Total National Championships. Within those links are their Recognized National Championships. The barn has 3 of those while Bama has 14. CFDW does not recognize 1941, and neither should Bama. Would save fans a lot of grief if they could just refer the complainers to the CFDW site.

 

[RollTideRandy]

Oh great, Aubrun can claim 9 National Titles, but I claim the US Presidency from 1992-2000 and folks try to throw me in the house.

 

[CrimsonPirate]

I don't know about all those sesons, but I do know about 1958. Auburn was undefeated, true. But, LSU was undefeated and untied, and was declared national champion by the major polls. In 2004, they might have an argument except for the fact that they didn't win the BCS, which was the criteria for naming a national champ at the time. 'Course, in 2003, the Associated Press chose to ignore the BCS and name Southern Cal their champion. So I guess Auburn can do whatever the heck they want to do. I"m like rammerjammer, though. They have ridiculed Alabama through the years over our multiple titles. Kinda two-faced for them to get on board now.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Interesting article, pre-#15:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...103/notre-dame-alabama-championships-claimed/

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From the oh-so-reliable source that is Wikipedia:

"Since World War II, Alabama only claims national championships awarded by the final AP Poll or the final Coaches' Poll. This policy is consistent with other FBS football programs with numerous national title claims, including Notre Dame, USC, and Oklahoma. All national championships claimed by the University of Alabama were published in nationally-syndicated newspapers and magazines, and each of the national championship selectors, and are cited in the Official 2010 NCAA FBS Record Book.[SUP][106][/SUP] In addition to the championships claimed by the university, the NCAA has listed Alabama as receiving a championship for the 1945, 1966, 1975, and 1977 college football seasons.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][104][/SUP]


The 1982 media guide, the last for Coach Bryant, lists 1934 as the only pre-Bryant national championship, adding it in a footnote of Alabama's SEC history. In the year-by-year results in the '82 media guide, only Bryant's six national titles were listed.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] In the 1980s, Alabama's Sports Information Director Wayne Atcheson started recognizing five (5) pre-Coach Bryant national championship teams (1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941) by adding them to the University's Football Media Guide. According to Atcheson, he made the effort in the context of disputed titles being claimed by other schools, and "to make Alabama football look the best it could look." Though the claims were made in the spirit of competition with other claimants, Atcheson maintains that the titles are the school's rightful claims.[SUP][107]
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The University of Alabama 2009 Official Football Media Guide states that Alabama had 12 national championships prior to winning the 2010 BCS National Championship Game.[SUP][108][/SUP] The 2009, 2011 and 2012 titles bring the total number of national championships claimed by Alabama to 15. Ten of Alabama's national championships were awarded by the wire-services (AP, Coaches' Poll) or by winning the BCS National Championship Game.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][104][/SUP]"

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Can someone explain to me how we suddenly added recognized championships (such as in the 1980s, and again in 2009)? Hahah. In the NCAA's eyes, do we only have 8 national championships? (45, 66, 75, 77, 92, 09, 11, 12?)

And taking off the crimson-colored glasses here .. how many can we realistically claim are OURS, or at least shared with another champion? Has anyone done the math/history on this?

 

[PhillyGirl]

I don't know about all those sesons, but I do know about 1958. Auburn was undefeated, true. But, LSU was undefeated and untied, and was declared national champion by the major polls. In 2004, they might have an argument except for the fact that they didn't win the BCS, which was the criteria for naming a national champ at the time. 'Course, in 2003, the Associated Press chose to ignore the BCS and name Southern Cal their champion. So I guess Auburn can do whatever the heck they want to do. I"m like rammerjammer, though. They have ridiculed Alabama through the years over our multiple titles. Kinda two-faced for them to get on board now.

Going off of the 2004 discussion .. If Auburn can count 2004, why not Utah or Boise State? Or Oklahoma? If the USC win is vacated, does Oklahoma's loss still count? Like, Auburn is really splitting hairs here .. I can understand where they are coming from (sort of), but this just opens a can of worms.

 

[planomateo]

College Football Data Warehouse shows Auburn has been awarded 8 national championships by various polls and Alabama has been awarded 28 national championships by various outlets. Those are CFDW's Total National Championships. Within those links are their Recognized National Championships. The barn has 3 of those while Bama has 14. CFDW does not recognize 1941, and neither should Bama. Would save fans a lot of grief if they could just refer the complainers to the CFDW site.

Can someone explain to me how we suddenly added recognized championships (such as in the 1980s, and again in 2009)? Hahah. In the NCAA's eyes, do we only have 8 national championships? (45, 66, 75, 77, 92, 09, 11, 12?)

And taking off the crimson-colored glasses here .. how many can we realistically claim are OURS, or at least shared with another champion? Has anyone done the math/history on this?

Start with 252BAMA's link (I quoted it above). Also, not sure where you got 45, 75, 77 above.

 

[bamaraider]

You know they're only doing this to catch up to Bama. So great, Alabama lives rent free in their mind.

 

[JoshB]

Can someone explain to me how we suddenly added recognized championships (such as in the 1980s, and again in 2009)? Hahah. In the NCAA's eyes, do we only have 8 national championships? (45, 66, 75, 77, 92, 09, 11, 12?)

And taking off the crimson-colored glasses here .. how many can we realistically claim are OURS, or at least shared with another champion? Has anyone done the math/history on this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football#National_championships

Its pretty simple, every one of the titles the school claims are recognized in the NCAA record books and were awarded by wire services or BCS titles. Those others you mentioned are also recognized by the NCAA but the school doesnt recognize them because of who presented them (back in the day anyone could name a national champion, even Golf Digest).

 

[252BAMA]

Interesting article, pre-#15:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...103/notre-dame-alabama-championships-claimed/

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From the oh-so-reliable source that is Wikipedia:

"Since World War II, Alabama only claims national championships awarded by the final AP Poll or the final Coaches' Poll. This policy is consistent with other FBS football programs with numerous national title claims, including Notre Dame, USC, and Oklahoma. All national championships claimed by the University of Alabama were published in nationally-syndicated newspapers and magazines, and each of the national championship selectors, and are cited in the Official 2010 NCAA FBS Record Book.[SUP][106][/SUP] In addition to the championships claimed by the university, the NCAA has listed Alabama as receiving a championship for the 1945, 1966, 1975, and 1977 college football seasons.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][104][/SUP]


The 1982 media guide, the last for Coach Bryant, lists 1934 as the only pre-Bryant national championship, adding it in a footnote of Alabama's SEC history. In the year-by-year results in the '82 media guide, only Bryant's six national titles were listed.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] In the 1980s, Alabama's Sports Information Director Wayne Atcheson started recognizing five (5) pre-Coach Bryant national championship teams (1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941) by adding them to the University's Football Media Guide. According to Atcheson, he made the effort in the context of disputed titles being claimed by other schools, and "to make Alabama football look the best it could look." Though the claims were made in the spirit of competition with other claimants, Atcheson maintains that the titles are the school's rightful claims.[SUP][107]
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The University of Alabama 2009 Official Football Media Guide states that Alabama had 12 national championships prior to winning the 2010 BCS National Championship Game.[SUP][108][/SUP] The 2009, 2011 and 2012 titles bring the total number of national championships claimed by Alabama to 15. Ten of Alabama's national championships were awarded by the wire-services (AP, Coaches' Poll) or by winning the BCS National Championship Game.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][104][/SUP]"

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Can someone explain to me how we suddenly added recognized championships (such as in the 1980s, and again in 2009)? Hahah. In the NCAA's eyes, do we only have 8 national championships? (45, 66, 75, 77, 92, 09, 11, 12?)

And taking off the crimson-colored glasses here .. how many can we realistically claim are OURS, or at least shared with another champion? Has anyone done the math/history on this?

THE NCAA recognizes 13 Alabama National Championships. All but 1934 and, of course, 1941 of the 15 that Bama recognizes.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

 

[PhillyGirl]

College Football Data Warehouse shows Auburn has been awarded 8 national championships by various polls and Alabama has been awarded 28 national championships by various outlets. Those are CFDW's Total National Championships. Within those links are their Recognized National Championships. The barn has 3 of those while Bama has 14. CFDW does not recognize 1941, and neither should Bama. Would save fans a lot of grief if they could just refer the complainers to the CFDW site.

Can someone explain to me how we suddenly added recognized championships (such as in the 1980s, and again in 2009)? Hahah. In the NCAA's eyes, do we only have 8 national championships? (45, 66, 75, 77, 92, 09, 11, 12?)

And taking off the crimson-colored glasses here .. how many can we realistically claim are OURS, or at least shared with another champion? Has anyone done the math/history on this?

Start with 252BAMA's link (I quoted it above). Also, not sure where you got 45, 75, 77 above.

They are in the block of text I posted from Wiki. It says that the NCAA recognizes them.

"In addition to the championships claimed by the university, the NCAA has listed Alabama as receiving a championship for the 1945, 1966, 1975, and 1977 college football seasons."

 

[PhillyGirl]

Interesting article, pre-#15:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...103/notre-dame-alabama-championships-claimed/

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From the oh-so-reliable source that is Wikipedia:

"Since World War II, Alabama only claims national championships awarded by the final AP Poll or the final Coaches' Poll. This policy is consistent with other FBS football programs with numerous national title claims, including Notre Dame, USC, and Oklahoma. All national championships claimed by the University of Alabama were published in nationally-syndicated newspapers and magazines, and each of the national championship selectors, and are cited in the Official 2010 NCAA FBS Record Book.[SUP][106][/SUP] In addition to the championships claimed by the university, the NCAA has listed Alabama as receiving a championship for the 1945, 1966, 1975, and 1977 college football seasons.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][104][/SUP]


The 1982 media guide, the last for Coach Bryant, lists 1934 as the only pre-Bryant national championship, adding it in a footnote of Alabama's SEC history. In the year-by-year results in the '82 media guide, only Bryant's six national titles were listed.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] In the 1980s, Alabama's Sports Information Director Wayne Atcheson started recognizing five (5) pre-Coach Bryant national championship teams (1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941) by adding them to the University's Football Media Guide. According to Atcheson, he made the effort in the context of disputed titles being claimed by other schools, and "to make Alabama football look the best it could look." Though the claims were made in the spirit of competition with other claimants, Atcheson maintains that the titles are the school's rightful claims.[SUP][107]
[/SUP]

The University of Alabama 2009 Official Football Media Guide states that Alabama had 12 national championships prior to winning the 2010 BCS National Championship Game.[SUP][108][/SUP] The 2009, 2011 and 2012 titles bring the total number of national championships claimed by Alabama to 15. Ten of Alabama's national championships were awarded by the wire-services (AP, Coaches' Poll) or by winning the BCS National Championship Game.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][104][/SUP]"

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Can someone explain to me how we suddenly added recognized championships (such as in the 1980s, and again in 2009)? Hahah. In the NCAA's eyes, do we only have 8 national championships? (45, 66, 75, 77, 92, 09, 11, 12?)

And taking off the crimson-colored glasses here .. how many can we realistically claim are OURS, or at least shared with another champion? Has anyone done the math/history on this?

THE NCAA recognizes 13 Alabama National Championships. All but 1934 and, of course, 1941 of the 15 that Bama recognizes.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

Why not 1934? Didn't the Big Ten basically not allow Minnesota to play in a bowl game? Alabama and Minnesota were also the only two undefeated teams after the season, despite Bama finishing 6th in the final rankings (behind Minnesota, Pitt, Navy, Illinois, and Rice) and ahead of Columbia, Colgate, Ohio State, Stanford, and Tulane. We went on to beat the other undefeated, Stanford. If anything, Alabama seems like the only true winner that year.

 

[252BAMA]

Why not 1934? Didn't the Big Ten basically not allow Minnesota to play in a bowl game? Alabama and Minnesota were also the only two undefeated teams after the season, despite Bama finishing 6th in the final rankings (behind Minnesota, Pitt, Navy, Illinois, and Rice) and ahead of Columbia, Colgate, Ohio State, Stanford, and Tulane. We went on to beat the other undefeated, Stanford. If anything, Alabama seems like the only true winner that year.

Andy staples explained it in the SI link you posted.

"The Associated Press poll didn't become a fixture until 1936, but in November 1934 the news service surveyed writers to rank the teams. The writers voted Minnesota first, Stanford second and Alabama third."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...-alabama-championships-claimed/#ixzz2s1KmkzHx

 

[PhillyGirl]

Oh damn, totally missed that. Read it at work so I guess I wasn't completely focused.

I find the history of championships/voted champions really interesting.

 

[sean]

bah, who gives a shit what auburn claims or doesn't claim? they can say all they want about how many they have versus how many we have. but until they win it on the field, i ain't listening.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Auburn can claim whatever they want.

 

[bamaraider]

They already claim whatever they want. They claim to be the most "family" fan base in America, and every one if their fans graduate from AU. They claim Alabama has cheated in every sporting event, but we apparently buy off NCAA. They claim football started in 1980 and all achievements prior should not hold. I can go in for days.