🏈 announcement SEC/Big12 - shake up in the bowl selection process

I have an old friend who is a huge Domer, and he is dyiing for them to hook up with the SEC. If we picked them up there would be the matter of a 16th team of course.

I know there has been talk of Va. Tech to the SEC, but in the back of my head I think that in Va. bpolitice the Hokies and the Cavaliers are a package deal. (of course that was said once agout aTm and Texas.)
 
I love Boise running off east to join a conference that's no longer relevant...

Terry, I would add BYU to that list, and I'd put Air Force above SMU as well. The timing of this landslide of activity is unfortunate for some teams who have sniffed success but have no established track record. South Florida comes to mind. I'm also curious what Georgia State or South Alabama would look like in another three to five years, or if Troy will ever get their second wind and move forward. Southern Miss could be a better long term football bet (fielding a competitive team) than a Louisville or Syracuse, although TV draws would stink.

RTR,

Tim

With the fan base BYU has, that would make sense. Where it ranks when compared to other large programs, I don't know. Saying it's a big one; understatement.

So, you'd drop SMU for BYU.

Air Force? Why? Because their players do drugs like other programs? :pirate:

I am not with you on that one. One, I don't see that it would be likely without including the other service academies. Two, they just aren't that good, consistently. Over the last 30 years they've had five double digit win seasons. And, with those seasons where they did break that 10 win mark, it was also a year where they'd drop a game to an average team. I recall a season in the late '90's where they had more than 10 wins but dropped their biggest game outside of their service academy rivals. I know it was TCU, and I want to say it was a TCU team that was a game or two over .500 for the season.
 
I have an old friend who is a huge Domer, and he is dyiing for them to hook up with the SEC. If we picked them up there would be the matter of a 16th team of course.

I know there has been talk of Va. Tech to the SEC, but in the back of my head I think that in Va. bpolitice the Hokies and the Cavaliers are a package deal. (of course that was said once agout aTm and Texas.)

Based on what we've seen Slive do in relation to the SEC footprint, I just don't see the possibility of a ND team joining the SEC. I really don't want them.

Personally, I'd throw them, and Va. Tech for that matter, to the B1G and bring in WVU.
 
Based on what we've seen Slive do in relation to the SEC footprint, I just don't see the possibility of a ND team joining the SEC. I really don't want them.

Personally, I'd throw them, and Va. Tech for that matter, to the B1G and bring in WVU.

VaTech and WVU are couch burners. Let them join a conference that storms the field should they win something...
 
VaTech and WVU are couch burners. Let them join a conference that storms the field should they win something...

:rofl: As we welcome one of the SEC's newest members...at least they carry it to a bar for drinks!

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I read a thread over on a Mizzou forum about this a month or so ago.
Missouri beat Oklahoma, ranked No. 1 in the BCS, for the first time in 12 years Saturday night. Despite public announcements to stay off the field, thousands of fans poured out of the stands after the game to mob the players, jump up and down, and tear down the goal posts and carry them to a local watering hole.

The scene plays out in college football stadiums across the country every fall. It’s kind of silly and can be dangerous — one fan suffered a broken leg last Saturday night during the mass celebration on Faurot Field — but it’s part of the fabric of college football.

Missouri fans haven’t had many opportunities to celebrate like that. The Tigers, after all, are 7-0 for the first time since 1960. Big victories over Nebraska in 1978 and 2008 came on the road. Ditto for the Chase Daniel-fueled win against second-ranked Kansas three years ago that propelled the Tigers to their first Big 12 Conference championship game. When they last beat Oklahoma in 1998, the Sooners were a 5-6 outfit.


Besides, it was homecoming, and a record 18,000 fans showed up that morning for ESPN’s College GameDay program.

So what happens? Officers from the University of Missouri Police Department, the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Boone County Sheriff’s Department arrested 30 people for trespassing. State Sen. Kurt Schaefer doesn’t fault police, but he wants the University of Missouri to drop prosecution for less ominous punishment, such as community service. The school’s administration says the matter is out of their hands, however.

“Man of these individuals arrested are students who will now have to face the task of looking for a job after graduation with a criminal record,” Schaefer said in a press release. “Perhaps we could look for a compromise given the excitement of the moment this event generated.


“We should, of course, use some restraint to keep anyone from getting hurt, and charges other than simple trespass should be handled accordingly. … We need to use some common sense without doing permanent harm to our students.”

Missouri Athletic Director Mike Alden was quoted in the Kansas City Star that the emotions building during the game made the scene inevitable, and that ” … you just let them come on (the field).”

Mary Jo Banken, director of the MU News Bureau, told the Tribune the cases have been turned over to prosecutors and it is up to them to make a decision about whether to proceed. She said the university’s policies are based on the need for safety for the fans and the players.


OK, we get that, but the nationally televised game was huge. These things don’t happen very often in Columbia, Mo. At least not since the days of Al Onofrio. That’s a lot of pent-up celebration.


“We feel like our plans, our policies are communicated very directly to the fans,” Banken told the Tribune. “For coming on to the field after a football game, onto the court after a basketball game or any athletic fields after a game, people will be arrested. Now, it is impossible for security personnel to control the overall actions of an entire group, but we will enforce our regulations as much as possible.”


Besides being a lawmaker, Schaefer is also a lawyer, so don’t be surprised if he offers his services to the unlucky 30 fans who were nabbed by police. Also don’t be surprised if the prosecutors in Boone County look back on those dark seasons of Woody Widenhofer and Bob Stull, decide a little mayhem is better than a 1-10 football team and amend the charges.


There are probably a few bigger cases to try.

I still love the attitude the Alabama State Troopers have...crash the field, meet the baton.
 
If the SEC, BIG12, BIG 10, and the PAC12 are to become four 16-team conferences something has to give, if we run with TerryP's list of 16 from earlier in this thread. (His is at least as good as anyone elses, so I'm referenceing it here.)

"the Market" to aquire new teams is soundly on the Atlantic Coast (i.e. the ACC and the BIG EAST). The SEC and the BIG10 find the Market literally next door, but that only addresses half the teams that are needed to make the field of 64.

The big rub will be the PAC12 either having to 1) steal teams from the BIG12 and/or the BIG10, 2) come off their academic standards requirements, or 3) add teams that are three time zones away.

The BIG12 will have to continue a geographic reach to the east, presumabley adding teams nearby to West Virginia (and presumably Florida State and Clemson).

In the end, I can't fill the field of 64 without something uncomfortable happening.
 
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If the SEC, BIG12, BIG 10, and the PAC12 are to become four 16-team conferences something has to give, if we run with TerryP's list of 16 from earlier in this thread. (His is at least as good as anyone elses, so I'm referenceing it here.)

"the Market" to aquire new teams is soundly on the Atlantic Coast (i.e. the ACC and the BIG EAST). The SEC and the BIG10 find the Market literally next door, but that only addresses half the teams that are needed to make the field of 64.

The big rub will be the PAC12 either having to 1) steal teams from the BIG12 and/or the BIG10, 2) come off their academic standards requirements, or 3) add teams that are three time zones away.

The BIG12 will have to continue a geographic reach to the east, presumabley adding teams nearby to West Virginia (and presumably Florida State and Clemson).

In the end, I can't fill the field of 64 without something uncomfortable happening.

I had the same thought as you after I looked at some things. The PAC-12 is in an interesting situation for sure, gonna be awfully bumpy ride for some conferences.
 
planomateo:670008 said:
If the SEC, BIG12, BIG 10, and the PAC12 are to become four 16-team conferences something has to give, if we run with TerryP's list of 16 from earlier in this thread. (His is at least as good as anyone elses, so I'm referenceing it here.)

"the Market" to aquire new teams is soundly on the Atlantic Coast (i.e. the ACC and the BIG EAST). The SEC and the BIG10 find the Market literally next door, but that only addresses half the teams that are needed to make the field of 64.

The big rub will be the PAC12 either having to 1) steal teams from the BIG12 and/or the BIG10, 2) come off their academic standards requirements, or 3) add teams that are three time zones away.

The BIG12 will have to continue a geographic reach to the east, presumabley adding teams nearby to West Virginia (and presumably Florida State and Clemson).

In the end, I can't fill the field of 64 without something uncomfortable happening.

I had the same thought as you after I looked at some things. The PAC-12 is in an interesting situation for sure, gonna be awfully bumpy ride for some conferences.
Perhaps it's my tablet...link not working for me?
 
its a post I put earlier in the "SEC Network in 2014?" thread

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/showthread.php?143238-SEC-Network-in-2014
I lifted this from the thread linked above. Thank for the original post.

"Now, if the SEC lands say a North Carolina (~9.7m) and Virginia team (~8m) we add almost another ~20m potential viewers.
SEC (~91.3m population)
2 - Alabama (~4.8m)
2 - Tennessee (~6.4m)
2 - Mississippi (~3m)
1 - Florida (~19m)
1 - Georgia (~9.8m)
1 - Louisiana (~4.6m)
1 - Arkansas (~3m)
1 - Missouri (~6m)
1 - Texas (~25.6m)
1 - South Carolina (~4.7m)
1 - Kentucky (~4.4m)"

On the surface it looks like NC and Virginia would be the way to go, but just because we are plugged into a state/market does not mean that we can claim the population numbers that follow. Example, do we get Texas or does the Big12? I think the more apt number would be the viewing audience that follows a team. That said, who are the teams that bring the most viewers?
 
I firmly believe the mark will be 16 teams like we've seen mentioned so many times. Part of that assuredness comes from a comment Slive made a few weeks ago when asked about the SEC and how long it would take to get to 16. "We could be at 16 in 15 minutes" was his response. Considering Slive's background professionally, I don't see those words coming out of his mouth unless it's something he's considered and spoken with some people about.

This could not be the case unless there were at least two schools who are already pre-approved by their Trustees to jump in 15 minutes, should an offer be extended.
Those Trustees would not have pre-approved a hasty jump if they had no reason to think that an offer might come, eventually.
These schools would not have thought that an offer might be coming if some conversations had not indeed happend.
Slive would not have had these conversations if he could not make a commitable offer.
He could not have had a commitable offer if the member institutions were not on-board.

This makes me ask two questions:
1) What is everyone waiting for? Its sounds like a deal it chambered and ready to fire, so why no shot? What will push it over the edge? I have no idea.
2) Who are the two? This I have some thought regarding.

Does anyone recall Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and Louisville being listed among the schools rumored to be coming to the SEC? And the talk of a Veto Voting Bloc of SEC members who would keep these 5 teams from joining; the block being Florida, Georgia, S. Carolina, and Kentucky? Well if their Veto still has power, and Slive already has the Go-Ahead from the member institutions to add #15 and #16, then we can conclude that these 5 schools are not the mystery teams.

Pairing this assumption with previously posted state-population listing, there is a good case to be made for a team from North Carolina and/or Virginia being the 15 Minute members.
 
yeah, its split for sure in the example for Texas, just like Florida/South Carolina/etc. I was really just posting the numbers from a state population based on the original article. I don't disagree the viewing audience is more important.

Just interesting seeing the potential in state audience numbers.

What really stuck out to me, the Pac-12's growth is stunted due to available schools in the surrounding states...worse than other conferences.
 
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What really stuck out to me, the Pac-12's growth is stunted due to available schools in the surrounding states...worse that other conferences.

I concur. There is a virtual College Football desert between them and the teams to be had.
I can see why they went after Texas, which may be a deal too late to make now. One has to think that the BIG12 is looking to the west with suspicious eyes. This underscores the value of the recent BIG12/SEC Bowl deal to the BIG12.

After the BIG12 gets back to 12 member, the PAC12 could be in a poor spot if they are not the first to jump toward 16...should anyone choose to start that mess.

Do you suppose that this may put an end to conferences being Academic-Reputation snobs, by denying members because they are not as impressive in the PAC12's mind?

Do you suppose that the situation will get dire enough to force the slitting of schools in states that want them to go as a package deal (i.e. Oklahoma/OkState, Kansas/Kansas State, Virginia/Virginia Tech)?
 
LBS:670150 said:
its a post I put earlier in the "SEC Network in 2014?" thread

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/showthread.php?143238-SEC-Network-in-2014
I lifted this from the thread linked above. Thank for the original post.

"Now, if the SEC lands say a North Carolina (~9.7m) and Virginia team (~8m) we add almost another ~20m potential viewers.
SEC (~91.3m population)
2 - Alabama (~4.8m)
2 - Tennessee (~6.4m)
2 - Mississippi (~3m)
1 - Florida (~19m)
1 - Georgia (~9.8m)
1 - Louisiana (~4.6m)
1 - Arkansas (~3m)
1 - Missouri (~6m)
1 - Texas (~25.6m)
1 - South Carolina (~4.7m)
1 - Kentucky (~4.4m)"

On the surface it looks like NC and Virginia would be the way to go, but just because we are plugged into a state/market does not mean that we can claim the population numbers that follow. Example, do we get Texas or does the Big12? I think the more apt number would be the viewing audience that follows a team. That said, who are the teams that bring the most viewers?

You are comparing apples to oranges here Lbs. With the state of TX, you are looking at two distinct markets. There, it would fall into which team gets the most viewers but it will also bring into play who is broadcast on a specific day.

Arbitrarily, if we had a weekend with Florida vs Georgia vs a Kansas vs Iowa State game, which one gets the most views. A lot of the TV market discussion has to include the decisions made by the networks themselves.

It's not as simple as "which teams bring the most viewers." It's "which conference brings the most viewers." This isn't about a single team. Never has been. It's about the SEC brand.
 
planomateo:670158 said:
yeah, its split for sure in the example for Texas, just like Florida/South Carolina/etc. I was really just posting the numbers from a state population based on the original article. I don't disagree the viewing audience is more important.

Just interesting seeing the potential in state audience numbers.

What really stuck out to me, the Pac-12's growth is stunted due to available schools in the surrounding states...worse than other conferences.

This is one of the reasons Tim's comments caught my attention earlier. I wouldn't consider BYU as a team that deserves a "place at the table" based on their recent success. But, given their location and the number of fans across the nation that follow the team, perhaps they do.

Another reason Tim's point throws a wrench in the works has to do with eyeballs as well. Does anyone think BYU / Utah as a TV market coup?
 
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