📡 Alabama players react to late Texas A&M timeouts that drew boos

[UAgrad93]

I still think Jimbo isn't as good as some make him out to be. Take away a dynamic QB in Jameis Winston and what has he done as a HC? He is going to ride Mond like a government mule and when he either leaves or gets him killed, A&M will fold.

Jimbo's record at FSU

10-4...2010
9-4
12-2
14-0
13-1
10-3
10-3
7-6....2017.........lost his QB game 1

He pretty good

12-2, 14-0, and 13-1 occurred with Winston. Outside of that, he is a 3-4 loss a year coach. Nothing outstanding.

Dayum...your test are hard

But people want to heap praises on him like he is so great. I'm just pointing out that he isn't much better than ol Gustav down at the Barn. Like Gustav with a few lucky ass plays in '13, Jimbo had a generational talent (POS as a person but still a talent) that he rode. Oustide of that, he isn't a top tier coach worth $75 million for 10 years.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I still think Jimbo isn't as good as some make him out to be. Take away a dynamic QB in Jameis Winston and what has he done as a HC? He is going to ride Mond like a government mule and when he either leaves or gets him killed, A&M will fold.

Jimbo's record at FSU

10-4...2010
9-4
12-2
14-0
13-1
10-3
10-3
7-6....2017.........lost his QB game 1

He pretty good

12-2, 14-0, and 13-1 occurred with Winston. Outside of that, he is a 3-4 loss a year coach. Nothing outstanding.

Dayum...your test are hard

But people want to heap praises on him like he is so great. I'm just pointing out that he isn't much better than ol Gustav down at the Barn. Like Gustav with a few lucky ass plays in '13, Jimbo had a generational talent (POS as a person but still a talent) that he rode. Oustide of that, he isn't a top tier coach worth $75 million for 10 years.

75 million is a huge amount of coin to pay no doubt. JMO but I believe Jimbo will have success with the A&M program

 

[UAgrad93]

@JoseyWalesTheOutlaw , 9-10 wins is good success for A&M.

 

[94 Grad]

I still think Jimbo isn't as good as some make him out to be. Take away a dynamic QB in Jameis Winston and what has he done as a HC? He is going to ride Mond like a government mule and when he either leaves or gets him killed, A&M will fold.

Jimbo's record at FSU

10-4...2010
9-4
12-2
14-0
13-1
10-3
10-3
7-6....2017.........lost his QB game 1

He pretty good

12-2, 14-0, and 13-1 occurred with Winston. Outside of that, he is a 3-4 loss a year coach. Nothing outstanding.

Winston only played 2 years.... 2013 and 2014. 14-0 and 13-1.
2010 was Ponder
2011 and 2012 was EJ Manual.
2015 was Golson.
2016 was True Freshman Francois
2017 was Backup Blackman

Most of his losses came to ranked teams sans the 2017 year with the backup playing.

You can try to fool yourself, but Jimbo is a very good coach and can recruit well too. He will be a force at aTm... at least much more so than Sumlin was... I would expect to see aTm become the main rival to us in the West with LSU and Auburn being a distant measure below them. Auburn is already starting to die in recruiting as Kirby closes the state of Georgia to them (where they got all their talent prior). Louisiana is still getting pillaged by Alabama and I wouldn't be shocked to see Jimbo start to grab hold with his former connections to the state, putting LSU in a deeper hole than they are now...

BTW, you talk about the Generational talent he had in Winston... who do you think got him to go to FSU? Most people thought he was Bama bound. Jimbo moved that needle... which is what I would consider the head coaches job... recruiting. He will pull talent to aTm and he will coach that talent in a scheme that will be sound. I don't recall ever see Jimbo make any bone head play calls while at FSU and I don't ever remember him NOT coaching up his talent. He is NOTHING like good ole gussy.... who is IMO the most over-rated coach in america. My wife is an FSU alum and I have followed FSU football closely with her for the last 20 years.

 

[Tidestalker]

Compare any current coach to Urban or especially CNS and they all look bad... Dabo the most consistently strong lately.... But if you can win a Natty, that's impressive. Don't care who it's with

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I am on record hoping the cow college never wins another game but I have to give Guz credit for he has beat Bama twice and both of those teams were good football teams. Nick and his staff really has a problem trying to scheme to stop that high offense and it is documented.

With that sad I have to give a real shout out to one Hugh Freeze for he dayum well knows how to score points against Nick Saban's defense even when every player on the Bama defense(s) actually went to the NFL. Salute to Hugh.

 

[TerryP]

Nick Saban only deals in facts with no bullshit and his take was we won the game but they didn't control the game and he is spot on.

He also said one of the reasons we saw the long runs was due to A&M's scheme like I pointed to earlier.

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. I am saying there are things about him that still leave a lot of questions in mind.

I've mentioned he averaged winning 10 games per season at FSU. But, what exactly does that say? Out of the ACC we're looking at three teams we can say have a shot at a NY6 bowl game or the CFB Playoffs--Clemson, FSU, and Miami--and two of those three are questionable for either spot.

 

[TerryP]

BTW, you talk about the Generational talent he had in Winston... who do you think got him to go to FSU? Most people thought he was Bama bound. Jimbo moved that needle... which is what I would consider the head coaches job... recruiting.

D. Craig got Winston to FSU. Granted, he's with Jimbo at A&M but we can't place that one in Jimbo's corner.

I don't know where you're getting "most people thought he was Bama bound." We had a few say so here with one guy claiming to be "within the family circle." The problem was we (as in people here) actually had someone within the family circle--his grandmother--and subsequently didn't believe he'd be in Tuscaloosa for a single minute.

Craig played the race card--Bama and black starting quarterbacks--like a pro and Winston's father bought it hook, line, and sinker.

I do believe Jimbo has the team mirroring his personality. He's got them "all on his page" right now (in a sense a lot like Kirby has with the UGA boosters and alumni) but I do question sustainability.

 

[UAgrad93]

@94 Grad , Winston was also sold on being allowed to play baseball. Saban wasn’t guaranteeing shit! Winston was just another Johnny Manziel. We dodged a bullet when that POS chose FSU. He was entitled dating all the way back to junior high.
Even though he may have only played 2 years, Jimbo really didn’t have a ton of competition to go against in the ACC. Like @TerryP said, basically a 3 horse race in that league and Miami was on life support for the longest. Dabo turned up the screws and it became a Clemson only league.
I have an aunt that finished at FSU and was a professor as well as department head for special education. I had the opportunity to walk on there years ago. My uncle was golfing buddies with Coach Bowden at the time and offered me a walk on spot. Not a bad place to go to school, no competition though!!

 

[TUSKtimes]

It's just makes sense to me that recruits when they take their official and unofficial visits, get a strong feel for law and order. Not just from the coaches and head man but certainly from the players themselves. Winston was a habitual screw-up in high school and he would have measured his free-flowing personality against the environment and culture he was tasting for himself. Sometimes it's the problem child that saves a school from wasting a scholarship.

 

[94 Grad]

@94 Grad , Winston was also sold on being allowed to play baseball. Saban wasn’t guaranteeing shit! Winston was just another Johnny Manziel. We dodged a bullet when that POS chose FSU. He was entitled dating all the way back to junior high.
Even though he may have only played 2 years, Jimbo really didn’t have a ton of competition to go against in the ACC. Like @TerryP said, basically a 3 horse race in that league and Miami was on life support for the longest. Dabo turned up the screws and it became a Clemson only league.
I have an aunt that finished at FSU and was a professor as well as department head for special education. I had the opportunity to walk on there years ago. My uncle was golfing buddies with Coach Bowden at the time and offered me a walk on spot. Not a bad place to go to school, no competition though!!

The SEC is only a 3 horse race too....

LSU has sucked for years now...but was good back in the 2010-13 Era.
aTm is hit or miss... mostly miss of late but seem to be trending up.
Auburn has had talent, but is also up and down.
UGA has typically been good and under Kirby has knocked it up a notch.
The rest of the East/West is pathetic SANS UF back in 2010-2012.

So if someone was to ask me what teams in the SEC are good and I honestly answered... I would say UA and UGA. 2nd tier would be aTm, AU, LSU. After that you have a bunch of pretty crappy teams.

As for Winston and being a putz... Yes, i would agree and we did dodge a bullet, but that just because Jimbo is willing to sell his program to the talent doesn't make him a bad coach... just a different way of doing it. He does it a different way than Saban, but he knows how to see talent, coach talent and then scheme talent. He will do well with the funding that aTm is willing to put behind and the recruiting base he will have access too. That was his major problem at FSU. He was always at odds the the administration about funding... FSU doesn't have the same "desire" to pump in the resources that an aTm or UA does... he didn't make many friends in the admin and that made it a pretty sour situation the last few years (really since day one).

As for Bowden, My Grandfather grew up with him and he was/is a family friend (although I haven't seen him in person since my Gdad passed away 6 years ago). Been with them many times (riding in the cart with my Gdad) at Roebuck watching them hit it around the course (maybe I've meet your uncle). Bowden built FSU on a philosophy of playing anyone anywhere (Not being in a conference until the early 90s helped him be able to schedule who he wanted). He played UF AND Auburn or some other SEC school almost every year and also many other ranked teams and in reality the team wasn't that good when he took over... but he did build it's profile over the years he was there until it became a powerhouse, but in my opinion he stayed a few years too long... BTW, if he offered you a walkon spot, you musta been pretty good because I've seen MANY people he knew look for the same treatment, and he wouldn't take them because they were too small or too slow....but he always reached out to other programs that they could play at to give them reference and referral. You should feel very honored he offered you that. He is a good man... one of the best I've ever meet.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Truth is Bama's defense needs the work against pretty good offensive teams. Allowing the QB to run for a 100 yards shows a weakness that has to be addressed.

Let's be fair here. In the first half he had runs for 54 and 34 yards--a total of 112 on the day. In the second half he was accounted for and contained.

If we're going to point to the defense in the first half we also have to point to A&M's offensive scheme in the same half. They were holding an extra blocker back with those runs and unless a defense is going to keep a guy in the box--which Bama did successfully in the second half--they're going to get their yards.

Much like Bama's opponents are finding themselves in a "pick your poison" role this fall, Bama found itself there yesterday. They weren't allowing what Mond had been successful doing--long completions. (It wasn't a guard against YAC, it was about eliminating as many of those completions as possible.)

It's not pretty on the box score, but it's not something I've overly concerned with either. To me, it was just another in-game adjustment due to a pretty good offensive game plan.

I thought they anticipated Bama defending the QB keepers in the second half, and became more patient in the passing game. It didn't work for them to win the game, but I got a sense that it was Fisher's response to what he expected Bama to do in the second half to contain QB runs.

RTR,

Tim

 

[94 Grad]

I thought they anticipated Bama defending the QB keepers in the second half, and became more patient in the passing game. It didn't work for them to win the game, but I got a sense that it was Fisher's response to what he expected Bama to do in the second half to contain QB runs.

RTR,

Tim

I don't know... he got sacked/hurried an awful lot in the second half... I think Bama tightened up the rush lanes and made adjustments to take away the QB runs... I will say their Oline made some really good pickups on blitz off the corner several times, but then totally wiffed on a few others.