🏈 Aaron Hernandez story...

[JoshB]

The "circumstantial evidence" in this case compared to those other two aren't even close. Plus, the fact that alot of ppl think the 3rd man is snitching on him.

 

[Swamptick]

The "circumstantial evidence" in this case compared to those other two aren't even close. Plus, the fact that alot of ppl think the 3rd man is snitching on him.

Can you break that down for us? How do you know? I'm not baiting here. I am genuinely curious. Can you give us a side by side comparison of all three cases and the evidences each had it is this more of a gut feeling thing?

 

[TerryP]

Can you break that down for us? How do you know? I'm not baiting here. I am genuinely curious. Can you give us a side by side comparison of all three cases and the evidences each had it is this more of a gut feeling thing?

Let me preface this first.

As soon as he was arrested and I heard Andrew Perloff mention "Tebow has TE as the first two letters..." I tuned out the coverage from day one.

Later on that afternoon I did catch a few minutes of the arraignment. During the prosecution presenting its case I heard him reference things AH had done that evening that went into as much detail as him stopping at a convenience store, what items he bought down to the flavor of gum, the route he drove, etc. A few minutes later when he's talking about how the guy was killed (shot first here, then shot here, then there) I started wondering "how does he know all of this, so specifically?"

Now, I don't know what leeway is given to the prosecution in arraignments. Are they allowed to speculate so broadly? OR, was there that much verifiable evidence he'd done those things in that order. It made me think "someone has talked."

According to reports one of the the other two guys is still being sought, another has been arrested. Hearing the prosecution leads me to believe the one arrested has talked.

Ray Lewis: I can recall they never found his clothes that were worn the night of that shooting he was linked to...can't recall if they ever found the gun.

Hernandez: Tire tracks which match the rental car that was rented in his name. Bullets matching the caliber used in the shooting. Witnesses putting the three men together. And it certainly doesn't look good when he's destroyed his video surveillance, cell phone, etc.

Weighing OJ against/with these two? Wow. That's asking 37 for a real lengthy post.

I don't know if he has that in him. :icon_lol:

 

[riz]

Let me preface this first.

As soon as he was arrested and I heard Andrew Perloff mention "Tebow has TE as the first two letters..." I tuned out the coverage from day one.

Later on that afternoon I did catch a few minutes of the arraignment. During the prosecution presenting its case I heard him reference things AH had done that evening that went into as much detail as him stopping at a convenience store, what items he bought down to the flavor of gum, the route he drove, etc. A few minutes later when he's talking about how the guy was killed (shot first here, then shot here, then there) I started wondering "how does he know all of this, so specifically?"

Now, I don't know what leeway is given to the prosecution in arraignments. Are they allowed to speculate so broadly? OR, was there that much verifiable evidence he'd done those things in that order. It made me think "someone has talked."

According to reports one of the the other two guys is still being sought, another has been arrested. Hearing the prosecution leads me to believe the one arrested has talked.

Ray Lewis: I can recall they never found his clothes that were worn the night of that shooting he was linked to...can't recall if they ever found the gun.

Hernandez: Tire tracks which match the rental car that was rented in his name. Bullets matching the caliber used in the shooting. Witnesses putting the three men together. And it certainly doesn't look good when he's destroyed his video surveillance, cell phone, etc.

Weighing OJ against/with these two? Wow. That's asking 37 for a real lengthy post.

I don't know if he has that in him. :icon_lol:

Lewis and his boys stabbed those dudes. I don't think there was a gun.

 

[JoshB]

Can you break that down for us? How do you know? I'm not baiting here. I am genuinely curious. Can you give us a side by side comparison of all three cases and the evidences each had it is this more of a gut feeling thing?

Ray Lewis' entire thing was "he was there and they couldnt find his suit" that he was wearing. There was no physical evidence nor eye witness that he did the stabbing. He himself snitched on his buddies saying it was them.

OJ Simpson there was actually a TON of evidence but it was actually DNA/physical evidence but lets be real thats a one in a million case on someone getting out of it. 2 words...Johnny Cochran.

Like Terry listed tho the evidence stacked against Hernandez is...

1. He was the last person seen with the dead guy.
2. The dead guys sister says that Hernandez came and picked him up and he texted her a little later saying that he was worried about what "NFL" would do, referring to Hernandez and if anything happened to him to remember he was with "NFL."
3. Hernandez was seen with a gun and saying that he could not trust anyone anymore being pissed off.
4. Surveillance cameras saw Hernandez's vehicle going down the street leading to wear the body was discovery (by the way less than a mile from his house).
5. Keys to a vehicle rented by Hernandez were found in the dead guys pocket.
6. Shells matching a gun Hernandez owned and shells they found at an apartment owned by Hernandez were used in the shooting.
7. Hernnadez destroyed his own cell phone and security system after the incident.
8. He had a cleaning company come and clean his house from top to bottom.
9. "red stains" were found in his rental car

And all the other stuff Terry said, Im sure Im leaving everything out. I dont think its fair to pretend like because hes an athlete somehow he will get out of it. For every OJ Simpson there 3 or 4 Ray Caruth's.

 

[TerryP]

Just caught a note on Sportscenter...he's now being questioned about a shooting in 2007 as well? Geez.

That would have been while he was a student at UF, wouldn't it?

 

[JoshB]

Yeah heard about that before, he was a suspect but Florida supposedly had it swept under a rug and the investigation went nowhere.

 

[TerryP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Aaron Hernandez punched his '07 victim so hard he ruptured the man's eardrum. The police report: <a href="http://t.co/sBRwvm5tmg">http://t.co/sBRwvm5tmg</a></p>&mdash; Rachel Bachman (@Bachscore) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bachscore/statuses/351885188437000192">July 2, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[planomateo]

I just love how Urban's not gonna talk about it. Yeah, cause that works.

 

[planomateo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>More for Urban to not talk about. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/georgediaz">@georgediaz</a>: Tebow tried to break up 2007 bar fight involving Aaron Hernandez
<a href="http://t.co/OHesnwENcH">http://t.co/OHesnwENcH</a></p>&mdash; Cecil Hurt (@CecilHurt) <a href="https://twitter.com/CecilHurt/statuses/352108692570775553">July 2, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[TerryP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Note that Urban Meyer was aware of the bar fight and did nothing to Hernandez. Somehow proposed felony charge disappeared too.</p>&mdash; Clay Travis (@ClayTravisBGID) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayTravisBGID/statuses/352112703919235075">July 2, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[planomateo]

Its my opinion that Urban enabled Aaron, along with a few other idiots from Florida. Of course Aaron is an adult and at the end of the day, accountable for his actions. As most parents can attest, there is a fine line between helping and enabling your kids. For the record, I'm not an Urban fan at all.

As I suggested earlier in this thread, Buckeye fans should be a little concerned with this.

 

[TerryP]

Its my opinion that Urban enabled Aaron, along with a few other idiots from Florida. Of course Aaron is an adult and at the end of the day, accountable for his actions. As most parents can attest, there is a fine line between helping and enabling your kids. For the record, I'm not an Urban fan at all.

As I suggested earlier in this thread, Buckeye fans should be a little concerned with this.

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2483559



Tim Tebow attempted to keep Aaron Hernandez out of trouble during a 2007 bar squabble while both were playing at the University of Florida, but not even the mild-mannered, Bible-toting quarterback could keep the hot-headed tight end from slugging a Gainesville, Fla., restaurant manager and puncturing his ear drum.

Still, after Tebow's efforts failed, it appears the school might have gotten Hernandez off the hook by reaching a settlement with the manager to keep him from pursuing charges, according to a supplemental investigation report on the altercation obtained by USA TODAY Sports.

Hernandez, a 17-year-old freshman at the time who had not even played a down for the Gators, got into an argument over an unpaid tab for two drinks, according to an incident report obtained by USA TODAY Sports. Hernandez was not of legal drinking age.

The report said a waitress at The Swamp Restaurant brought Hernandez the drinks, which he consumed before refusing to pay the bill. Manager Michael Taphorn confronted Hernandez, then asked him to leave. Outside the bar, Hernandez told police, Taphorn got into his face. When Taphorn turned to re-enter the bar, police said Hernandez hit him on the side of the head.

According to the report, Hernandez did not deny throwing the punch.

The original incident report lists Tebow only as "Witness 1," but his identity has been verified to USA TODAY Sports by Gainesville Police Department spokesman Ben Tobias and the supplemental report. Tebow, according to the supplemental report, "was concerned that his name would get out to the media as being involved in the incident," and that's why he was anonymously listed as a witness.

The incident took place around 1 a.m. ET on April 28, and Hernandez left the area immediately after the altercation. When a responding officer could not locate him, the officer interviewed Tebow, who said he tried to resolve the problem, according to the supplemental report. Tebow said he urged Hernandez to leave peacefully and tried to make arrangements to pay the bill. Later, when police interviewed Hernandez, Tebow was present.

Taphorn declined immediate medical treatment, but when he was examined the next day by doctors, they discovered that his right ear drum had been broken, an injury that would take four to six weeks to heal, the incident report said.

Curiously, police said Taphorn was adamant about pressing charges when he first spoke to officers, but when police followed up with Taphorn, he told them "that he may request the charges be dropped," an investigator wrote in the supplemental report. He added:

"Taphorn did state that he had been contacted by legal staff and coaches with UF and that they may be working on an agreement. However, nothing is finalized."

"I advised him that if this was his final decision that he would have to contact the State Attorney's office," the investigator wrote.
Athough police recommended a felony assault charge against Hernandez, a juvenile at the time, no charge was lodged.

When reached by USA TODAY Sports by phone Tuesday, a man who said he was Michael Taphorn said, "I think you have the wrong person," but a database has a phone number for him that matches a contact number on the police report. That number is no longer his, but the same report did have his current phone number. Taphorn denied working at the restaurant.

When asked to respond about the possibility that the school reached a settlement with Taphorn, UF spokesman Steve McClain released the following statement:

"No one from the university's general counsel's office was involved in this manner,'' he said.

Hernandez, now 23, has been charged with the murder of Lloyd, a 27-year-old, semipro football player. Hernandez, who has pleaded not guilty, is being held without bail in a Massachusetts jail. Connecticut and Massachusetts authorities said Tuesday that Hernandez also is being investigated in connection with a July 2012 double homicide in Boston.

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Take the statement there for what it's worth.

I appreciate the way it's worded.

 

[TerryP]

Damn was this dude a serial killer or what?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>New story on shooting in Gainesville RT <a href="https://twitter.com/jemelehill">@jemelehill</a>: Either Aaron Hernandez is terribly unlucky or a serial killer <a href="http://t.co/VOHRS4hGzj">http://t.co/VOHRS4hGzj</a></p>&mdash; Kristi Dosh (@SportsBizMiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsBizMiss/statuses/352397828527628289">July 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[planomateo]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...brother-wants-to-hear-from-alexander-bradley/

There’s a strange dynamic unfolding in the ongoing stack of news reports regarding theAaron Hernandez case. With so many publications dumping as many details as possible into a single story, key details are being glossed over.

For example, an article from the North Attleboro Sun Chronicle buried the very big news that police interviewed Carlos Ortiz the day before Hernandez (and, separately, Ortiz) was arrested. This points to Ortiz as a key witness whose cooperation with police may have touched on issues far more significant than, as mentioned by the Sun-Chronicle, the contents of Hernandez’s apartment and the whereabouts of Ortiz’s phone.

Other reports have pushed key facts regarding the ongoing investigation into the background. For example, the Hartford Courant drops at the very bottom of a story regarding the car accident that claimed the life of a Hernandez family member to whom investigators wanted to speak news that a grand jury wants to talk to the man who recently sued Hernandez for shooting him in the face. (ESPN buried the same news at the bottom of an item focusing on Hernandez’s denial of gang ties.)

Two key facts should have been highlighted, possibly with completely separate stories. First, a grand jury already has been convened. Second, the investigation is broad enough to reach to Florida for the purposes of looking at a related incident. (ABC News previously reported that investigators were probing a 2007 shooting possibly involving Hernandez; Gainesville police have denied that any other law-enforcement agency has asked for information about the incident.)

A passing reference to a grand jury also appears at the bottom of an item in theBoston Herald with a headline that focuses on court papers citing cocaine. Buried there is news that Hernandez’s barber, Roberto Olivares, has cooperated with authorities. Per the report, Olivares identified the apartment that Hernandez maintained roughly 20 minutes from his North Attleboro home.

These pieces of information, added stories without explanation or emphasis, indicate that a grand jury is working diligently and thoroughly to determine who should be officially charged in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd. It also demonstrates that witnesses otherwise aligned with Hernandez are cooperating, which generally could be very bad news for Hernandez.

 

[planomateo]

Here come the Urban's recruits arrest record articles...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/s...y-arrested-at-florida-in-the-meyer-years.html

 

[Mahout]

Aaron Hernandez is a complete psychopath

 

[Mahout]

Plus an open case when he was at Florida...He's just going through a "phase"...psychopathic killer phase...these young people these days ...

 

[BamaFan615]

I really haven't followed this story THAT closely...have they found a murder weapon yet?

 

[JoshB]

No weapon, they think he dumped it. They did find shell casings in his rental car that match the murder weapon as well as those same types of shells in his house.