šŸˆ A day later, I ponder if we’re overreacting to Alabama’s loss at FSU.

Two teams who had very underwhelming seasons and a program who just came off a 2-10 season. We looked for improvements in year two under DeBoer, but unfortunately, it looks like the same problems persists. Self-inflicted penalties that extend drives; poor leadership; and obvious lack of preparation. All the talk of accountability seems to have gone out the window.

 
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If your son wasn't affected as much doesn't that go back to parenting?

Was it covid or have coaching styles changed because you can't hurt their feelings anymore?

Oh, he was affected. We've had to work extra hard to overcome the lost time. Lots of training, lessons learned, hard lessons, and work to even get him to where he is. Still a ways to go, but his athleticism allowed him to step forward when others have struggled. Parenting is a piece as well, no doubt. You're not wrong there, but the virus took out a lot of our future and put them in a rough spot missing out on development in a lot of areas.
 
To add on here...or their school?
Speaking of school and parenting… have any of you guys been following the events at Deshler? The freshman that got beat nearly to death by, allegedly, the starting QB. School and some parents evidently trying to cover some things up. Some interesting drama and sad situation for the freshman, but he is recovering.
 
Oh, he was affected. We've had to work extra hard to overcome the lost time. Lots of training, lessons learned, hard lessons, and work to even get him to where he is. Still a ways to go, but his athleticism allowed him to step forward when others have struggled. Parenting is a piece as well, no doubt. You're not wrong there, but the virus took out a lot of our future and put them in a rough spot missing out on development in a lot of areas.
I think covid was a catalyst that exacerbated the root cause. We were headed down this road with these younger generations, but we're on the road because of parenting imo. We've praised kids for mediocrity, gave them trophies for losing, practically handed them everything they could want and then we wonder why they're soft.
We got presents for birthdays and Christmas not because we were good in the store. If we acted up we got our butt busted, we didn't go to time out and talk about it. We got coached hard and if we complained our dad told us to man up and do it right and we wouldn't get yelled at and have to run extra. If you wanted something you worked for it, asking didn't help. I think people think you can't coach this generation the way we were but imo you have to and the ones who leave were going to let you down on Saturday when it got hard anyway.
 
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I think covid was a catalyst that exacerbated the root cause. We were headed down this road with these younger generations, but we're on the road because of parenting imo. We've praised kids for mediocrity, gave them trophies for losing, practically handed them everything they could want and then we wonder why they're soft.
We got presents for birthdays and Christmas not because we were good in the store. If we acted up we got our butt busted, we didn't go to time out and talk about it. We got coached hard and if we complained our dad told us to man up and do it right and we wouldn't get yelled at and have to run extra. If you wanted something you worked for it, asking didn't help. I think people think you can't coach this generation the way we were but imo you have to and the ones who leave were going to let you down on Saturday when it got hard anyway.
Coach Bryant used to say about the severity of his practices, ā€œyou don’t them quitting in the 4th quarter on Saturdayā€.
 
I think covid was a catalyst that exacerbated the root cause. We were headed down this road with these younger generations, but we're on the road because of parenting imo. We've praised kids for mediocrity, gave them trophies for losing, practically handed them everything they could want and then we wonder why they're soft.
We got presents for birthdays and Christmas not because we were good in the store. If we acted up we got our butt busted, we didn't go to time out and talk about it. We got coached hard and if we complained our dad told us to man up and do it right and we wouldn't get yelled at and have to run extra. If you wanted something you worked for it, asking didn't help. I think people think you can't coach this generation the way we were but imo you have to and the ones who leave were going to let you down on Saturday when it got hard anyway.

Two things here, and two that may not be popular and may get people mad at me.

First, I think my generations parents as a whole did not want to be bothered by their kids. My grandparents were simply amazing. Made all my games, school events, let me spend the night, spent countless hours with me. My parents? Terrible grandparents to my kids. Selfish as fuck and won't make any moves that pote tally mess up their personal lives. I'm seeing that more and more.

Second, and to your coaching point. This is pure honesty and my experiences. In the South, you have A LOT of players that come from broken homes, dirt poor, bad communities, and coached/parented hard as fuck. That's why they are good because they weren't given excuses and yelled at till they did good. Not saying that method works with everyone as you stated, but it did for these standouts. DeBoer better learn coaching a bunch of Southern boys raised in bad neighborhoods, coached hard, parented hard, that his soft ass way won't move their needle. They will take plays off if you are soft on their asses and don't light that fire under their ass. We wonder why all these South Florida, Mobile, rural Mississippi, and Atlanta kids wanted to play for Saban and saw heigh success? It's because he rode their ass to be great and set an example for what he expected and they reaped the benefits. You give a player raised in these environments; money, power, social media, a lot of leash, lessened requirements, they will take the easiest road and fall off, and we are seeing that.

So yes, parenting is the ultimate failure, but the world shutting down fucked it up even worse and found a way to hurt the others not described above.
 
This story seems to have legs.


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This is very believable indeed.. look at some of the ill advised videos we see coming out of Alabama football players... their biggest concern when messing with the local women (on away games) is the rape thing... or some type of blackmail situation...they better be careful what they do... let's just hope some of the coaches aren't a part of this culture too..
 
This is very believable indeed.. look at some of the ill advised videos we see coming out of Alabama football players... their biggest concern when messing with the local women (on away games) is the rape thing... or some type of blackmail situation...they better be careful what they do... let's just hope some of the coaches aren't a part of this culture too..
Lol, dude.
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See what you’ve done @musso.

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Hey, it happens man... how many players do you see that are screwing their careers up by doing stupid shit... coaches too... they better remember they can get women... but the women can GET THEM TOO..
IF this was true, then sure. But this is coming from some "anonymous" booster that some random person put out there. This story is what Brandon said it was earlier.... bullshit.
 
Speaking of school and parenting… have any of you guys been following the events at Deshler? The freshman that got beat nearly to death by, allegedly, the starting QB. School and some parents evidently trying to cover some things up. Some interesting drama and sad situation for the freshman, but he is recovering.
I was home last week in Florence, (Deshler is across the river) and it was all in the paper, news and social media. The investigation has been turned over to Franklin county officials to avoid a conflict of interest. The investigators were also waiting to talk to the victim once he healed some and his memory returned.
 
Speaking of school and parenting… have any of you guys been following the events at Deshler? The freshman that got beat nearly to death by, allegedly, the starting QB. School and some parents evidently trying to cover some things up. Some interesting drama and sad situation for the freshman, but he is recovering.

Yep, weird situation. Supposedly (at least best I can tell), the belief is the QB was getting teased about dating a much younger girl by several on the team and decided to go after that one kid... allegedly got him in a bear hug and slammed him to the ground. Nearly killed him. QB's dad is a very generous booster to the school and supposedly the QB has a close relative (grandmother maybe?) on the school board. It sounds like a lot of people are passing the buck and nobody wants to be the one to call it what it is (assuming it was an assault). If/when it comes out that it was though, there's going to be a long trail of cowards in its wake. Many of which should lose their jobs... again, assuming it was an assault as described (which I tend to believe at this point).
 
Speaking of school and parenting… have any of you guys been following the events at Deshler? The freshman that got beat nearly to death by, allegedly, the starting QB. School and some parents evidently trying to cover some things up. Some interesting drama and sad situation for the freshman, but he is recovering.
Yeah I have been following it. Seemed like some cover up is going on for sure. I had not heard that the starting QB was involved but the kid was messed up pretty bad and I would expect charges to be brough up against those that did it and those that a trying to cover it up.
 
Overreaction, I don’t think it is. I can’t recall a time where we’ve ever looked this bad on both sides of the ball, ever. IMO, this is not a look and see where we are moving forward situation. This is a mindset after a disappointing end to the previous season that has taken root. I don’t believe this will be ā€œfixableā€ this year. My 2 cents. Ain’t worth much, but, not gonna sweat it, not seeing a miracle after that shit show last Saturday. They can prove me wrong and I’ll grill some crow and eat it.
 
It's gonna be sad and funny at the same time if we struggle against ULM and have to come from behind to win, but only by like 2 or 3 points.

The whole team needs to be pissed off as hell and they need beat the ever-lovin' shit out of ULM. I mean it needs to get BAD...like 77-0 bad with 3rd-stringers getting scores. But I suspect they won't. They'll put in a lackluster performance simply because it's ULM and they'll probably win by less than 10.
I admit I was wrong...WAY wrong. And I'm happy to have been wrong.
 
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