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[TerryP]

Duder, take this note.

The University of Alabama's complaince department has a vetting system in place that covers every student athlete on campus in relation to what kind of car they drive, financing and with whom, if paid for how, when, and where...it goes down the line.

UA is one of a very few numbers of schools around the NCAA to have such a system in place. Add to that the system has been in place long before McClain stepped foot on campus...even before he came to our Jr. day when he was in high school.

 

[LBS]

What is the core issue?
A) Student-Athletes on the brink of poverty; or
B) One team gaining an edge via Hundred Dollar Handshakes; or
C) The principle that football programs turn a profit and the athletes see no change in compensation.

 

[Duder]

Duder, take this note.

The University of Alabama's complaince department has a vetting system in place that covers every student athlete on campus in relation to what kind of car they drive, financing and with whom, if paid for how, when, and where...it goes down the line.

UA is one of a very few numbers of schools around the NCAA to have such a system in place. Add to that the
system has been in place long before McClain stepped foot on campus...even before he came to our Jr. day when he was in high school.

I'm sure they do. I also know where in Decatur (projects) his family lived and saw the rather nice car he was driving. I'm not saying the university had anything to do with it, or knew about it at all. I'm not saying Alabama did anything wrong. My point is someone gave him a car and it certainly wasn't his parents.

For those saying I'm deflecting, hardly. If you notice, I also said that Spikes was given a car while at Auburn. To be more specific he "found it outside his dorm and assumed it was his". The "holier than thou" attitude makes me chuckle given that you all so hated when some AU people did the same. Both schools have had some dirty laundry aired--both true and false--to think it will all immediately stopped around Auburn boosters or has already stopped around Alabama boosters is ridiculous.

 

[Duder]

:rofl:....And here we go again...no basis for saying McClain got a car. Just trying to deflect the attention and ignore the obvious. Time will prove what is more than likely there.

You miss my point entirely and comment on my ignoring of the obvious. Oh irony...

If you and I both get in a fight with someone and I get caught first, it doesn't make my act any less wrong two weeks later and I would look silly mocking you for getting in trouble as I'm still being watched myself. So, to clarify...

If what these players said is true it will certainly be found sooner or later. If it is proven, yes, the actions were wrong.

McClover is embellishing to draw more attention and no one will be able to convince me otherwise.

If you think the same crap doesn't happen at Bama, LSU, or any other big school for that matter, you're out of your mind. Boosters will do what they want and until access is completely restricted, here's nothing the coaches can do to stop it. Many of these kids come from poor situations, or lack the maturity to stick to what they know they should do. Universities will continue to spend millions on compliance programs and players will continue to circumvent the rules.

We are all wasting our time and energy. At the end of the day you'll all still stick to your guns. At the end of the day I will still respect some posters and their opinions and others will still be insufferable homers who refuse to see beyond their crimson colored glasses. If what they said is true than those responsible should be punished, and that includes the university if there is an actual link. If none of this is proven, it is nothing more than worthless Internet messag board fodder much like the "FBI is investigating Cam Newton" crap from the end of the season and the equally ridiculous "FBI is investigating the REC" from two years ago. I choose to wait until proof is offered before crucifying the accused. As it stands, it sounds like McClover is reciting scenes from "Blue Chips"

On the other topic, I believe the players should receive some amount of the revenue they generate doe the university. Think of how much money Bama made off of Prothro

 

[TerryP]

I'm sure they do. I also know where in Decatur (projects) his family lived and saw the rather nice car he was driving. I'm not saying the university had anything to do with it, or knew about it at all. I'm not saying Alabama did anything wrong. My point is someone gave him a car and it certainly wasn't his parents.

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No offense Dude, you are just wrong here. I've seen the allegation, word chosen on purpose, and it's baseless.

Seriously. A booster is going to buy a car for a kid coming out of HS barely hitting the radar...much less his three star status.

Not only was his title vetted, the vehicle was a piece of chit. Tricked out a bit? Yeah. But, he's a kid being a kid.

Reminds me so, so much of the Jerrell Harris thing...and now, it's that group that's being blamed for most of the stories coming out of The Plains.

Believe what you will...Mulder still believes in UFO's.

 

[TerryP]

You miss my point entirely and comment on my ignoring of the obvious. Oh irony...

If you and I both get in a fight with someone and I get caught first, it doesn't make my act any less wrong two weeks later and I would look silly mocking you for getting in trouble as I'm still being watched myself. So, to clarify...

If what these players said is true it will certainly be found sooner or later. If it is proven, yes, the actions were wrong.

McClover is embellishing to draw more attention and no one will be able to convince me otherwise.

If you think the same crap doesn't happen at Bama, LSU, or any other big school for that matter, you're out of your mind. Boosters will do what they want and until access is completely restricted, here's nothing the coaches can do to stop it. Many of these kids come from poor situations, or lack the maturity to stick to what they know they should do. Universities will continue to spend millions on compliance programs and players will continue to circumvent the rules.

We are all wasting our time and energy. At the end of the day you'll all still stick to your guns. At the end of the day I will still respect some posters and their opinions and others will still be insufferable homers who refuse to see beyond their crimson colored glasses. If what they said is true than those responsible should be punished, and that includes the university if there is an actual link. If none of this is proven, it is nothing more than worthless Internet messag board fodder much like the "FBI is investigating Cam Newton" crap from the end of the season and the equally ridiculous "FBI is investigating the REC" from two years ago. I choose to wait until proof is offered before crucifying the accused. As it stands, it sounds like McClover is reciting scenes from "Blue Chips"

On the other topic, I believe the players should receive some amount of the revenue they generate doe the university. Think of how much money Bama made off of Prothro

Changing the subject slightly...consider Daniel Moore.

 

['65 Cobra]

The bottom line is that is doesn't matter how much any given University or the NCAA (or the networks, or EA sports, or the merchandise companies, etc., etc.) make off the student-athlete because that's the deal. You come to a famous University and you get to PLAY (and I emphasize play because we are not talking about "slave labor" here) your favorite sport in that University's famous stadium in front of your friends and family wearing that famous uniform you have always dreamed of wearing. On top of that, you get a college degree FOR FREE and you get all the pro exposure you can earn. You can major in whatever you want that will make you a handsome income after football (if you take responsibility for your own choices) and you become the subject of affection and adulation for hundreds of thousands of fans. Yeah, that's a crappy deal.

If you think that particular University is going to "profit" too much from you, then go to a lesser-known school that loses money on sports or got to a D-2 school or a D-3 school. The trade-off is the potential $$$millions you might earn going pro via exposure by the bigger University. If you don't like the system, go semi-pro or do something else.

The numbers I showed earlier are completely compelling and self-evident; while college athletics generate a great deal of revenue for a given University, it is also extremely expensive for Universities to maintain - to the point that most operate at a loss. If the football programs are carrying the other sports from a cost standpoint, well those football players should consider it an honor to be able to selflessly particpate in making sure that other students who don't get as much special treatment, attention, and admiration (not to mention exposure to potentially make millions as a pro) also get a chance to play their favorite sport at their favorite University.

Next thing you know, this argument is going to trickle down to high school athletics - wonder how much those programs "profit" from their kids.

 

[Hoos4Tide]

This thread is so long I don't know if what I'm about to say has been posted yet or not, but think about it, if the NCAA allowed a $3k stipend, or some other capped amount, to be allotted to student athletes do you really think universities would stop at that? No. There would be someone who would 4k then someone who would give 50k to every player, it would never stop and people would eventually be saying "well why don't we just get college players to sign contracts like in the NFL" but that is ridiculous, and back to my question earlier, what about all the other student-athletes??

 

[planomateo]

its ironic that the kids are held to a higher standard than the NCAA, the schools, the coaches, etc...

 

[JoshB]

lmao I've seen the car in question in regards to Rolo, he posted a pic of him sitting on it after the Tennessee game in '09 on his MySpace (when he had a myspace), that is far from a "nice car", like Terry said he tricked it out a lil bit but that is asinine to claim someone gave him that. and id love to know how u know "as a fact" it was given to him.

 

[LBS]

The bottom line is that is doesn't matter how much any given University or the NCAA (or the networks, or EA sports, or the merchandise companies, etc., etc.) make off the student-athlete because that's the deal. You come to a famous University and you get to PLAY (and I emphasize play because we are not talking about "slave labor" here) your favorite sport in that University's famous stadium in front of your friends and family wearing that famous uniform you have always dreamed of wearing. On top of that, you get a college degree FOR FREE and you get all the pro exposure you can earn. You can major in whatever you want that will make you a handsome income after football (if you take responsibility for your own choices) and you become the subject of affection and adulation for hundreds of thousands of fans. Yeah, that's a crappy deal.

If you think that particular University is going to "profit" too much from you, then go to a lesser-known school that loses money on sports or got to a D-2 school or a D-3 school. The trade-off is the potential $$$millions you might earn going pro via exposure by the bigger University. If you don't like the system, go semi-pro or do something else.

The numbers I showed earlier are completely compelling and self-evident; while college athletics generate a great deal of revenue for a given University, it is also extremely expensive for Universities to maintain - to the point that most operate at a loss. If the football programs are carrying the other sports from a cost standpoint, well those football players should consider it an honor to be able to selflessly particpate in making sure that other students who don't get as much special treatment, attention, and admiration (not to mention exposure to potentially make millions as a pro) also get a chance to play their favorite sport at their favorite University.

Next thing you know, this argument is going to trickle down to high school athletics - wonder how much those programs "profit" from their kids.

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