🏈 A Brief Breakdown...Well, Not So Brief, About What's Coming on HBO Tonight...

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This is a copy and paste of Tommy Deas discussing the episode last night while watching it.

The HBO "Real Sports" report -- the first of two on this episode -- opens with Tyrone Prothro. He is profiled as a teller at Regions Bank, the one across the street from the UA Aquatic Center on the corner of Bryant and Hackberry.

This segment is about how much college programs make vs. players not getting a cut (of course it barely mentions scholarships), and Prothro is the centerpiece.

The segment says after his injury that Prothro "would never play here again," showing Bryant-Denny Stadium. Actually, if I'm not mistaken he played a snap or two against Mississippi State as a sort of farewell appearance at the end of a game. Am I imagining that? Or did HBO just not do its homework?

Prothro is asked how much money he got paid at Alabama:

"Not a dime ... not a dime," is his answer.

We'll juxtapose that with answers from another instate player (or is it players) in a little while when that part comes up.

Also of note, on the panel of experts is the commissioner of the Ivy League. Next, I guess we'll hear from the SWAC commissioner on the BCS?

Former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon is also part of the segment.

He raises an interesting question -- more interesting, IMHO, than the question about paying players while they are in college:

To use the highlight of Prothro's catch against Southern Miss, HBO had to pay several hundred dollars in rights fees (I think now it goes to XOS, which inked a multi-million dollar deal with the SEC for such things). Prothro, of course, doesn't receive a penny.

Now that's an important distinction from paying players for play -- if Prothro makes an all-time catch playing for Alabama, should he get a cut in later use of that clip?

The NCAA -- the same people who brought you the "loophole" explanation on the Cam Newton case (don't get me started) and the "clarification" on the Ohio State guys playing in the bowl -- declined to send a representative to HBO's panel disussion.

<hr color="#cccccc" noshade="noshade"> Second segment (the one you've been waiting for) starts out with the focus squarely on former Auburn player Stanley McClover.

Andrea Kremer goes through a stack of envelopes with recruiting letters to McClover. N.C. State, Kentucky, Memphis, I think Oklahoma.

No Alabama letter mentioned nor visable to my eyes. The Auburn letter with the big AU logo is prominent right on top.

McClover talks about getting his first $500 handshake at a camp at LSU. Says he didn't know the guy who gave it to him.

"Thank you and I'm seriously thinking about coming to LSU," McClover said he told the booster.

Of note, and you will hear about this tomorrow for sure:

Kremer says McClover said he got what he termed "money handshakes" at Auburn ("for a couple hundred dollars") and Michigan State. She also talks about him getting "about a thousand dollars" in handshakes at Ohio State -- but we never see McClover say this on campus.

He does talk on camera about committing to Ohio State after a party where he was offered his choice of girls for sexual services on an offial visit. He committed to THE Ohio State University right after that visit.
 
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After committing to OSU, McClover says Auburn reps contacted him:

"I rememer it like it was yesterday. 'What do we have to do to have you come to Auburn University?' ... I gave them an answer," he said.

Once again, we don't get McClover on camera saying the important words, we get Kremer saying McClover said he got money "delivered in a book bag, exact amount unknown."

Then McClover goes on camera to answer the question, "What were you thinking?"

McClover: "I almost passed out. ... I couldn't believe it was true."

Kremer: "You felt obligated to them ..."

McClover: "I felt totally obligated."

Kremer: "Because of the money?"

McClover: "Yeah."

Kremer notes there is no documentation of the payoff -- email, receipts, ect.

The $200,000 Cam question is raised: Kremer notes that on signing day, he signed with Auburn and not Ohio State.

Troy Reddick, another former Auburn player, is brought into the segment.

He says, with no specifics, that he "wasn't surprised" by anything that went on in the recruiting process.

Reddick said Auburn wasn't among his top five school choices, but then: "I was contacted by a representative of a local alumni and offered a large sum of money."

Reddick said his thought was that people were trying to take advantage of him and he wasn't going to give anybody any power over him whatsoever.

Kremer says (again without Reddick saying so on camera) that Reddick said he turned down the offer but went to Auburn anyway.

Reddick says, according to Kremer, that Auburn coaches asked him to change his major because his class schedule conflicted with football.

Reddick, on camera, says he changed his major but "didn't go" (to class, presumably) "because I knew I was only there to play football."

Reddick said he started complaining, saying me might want to leave. A coach (unnamed, but this would have been on Tommy Tuberville's staff, obvioulsy) invited him up to the office saying he had mail for Reddick and gave him an envelope.

Reddick said he found "about $500" in the envelope. Says it happened "two or three more times" that season and "six or seven times" his senior season.

Back to McClover, and back to Kremer speaking without McClover saying it on camera:

She says McClover said he was also paid while at Auburn, "paid by boosters," she says.

McClover goes on camera: Said he wanted a 1973 Chevy Impala. The seller wanted $7,000 in cash, McClover says, "So I went to my booster who I knew and he gave me the money the next day in a book bag."

Now we get into the specific incentive plan:

Asked how much a sack was worth, McClover says: "Anywhere between 3 to 400 dollars, for one, so my goal was always to get multiple (sacks)."

For four sacks against Alabama (Brodie), he says he was paid: "$4000, against Alabama. ... Don't no other game matter but Auburn-Alabama," attributing the higher per sack rate to the rivalry,.
 
Next up on the former Auburn player pay parade on the HBO "Real Sports" segment, Chaz Ramsey:

Again, it's Kremer and not Ramsey talking first, saying that Ramzey says he, too, got "money handshakes after games" in 2007.

Cut to Ramsey on camera:

"You walk out and all the fans are waiting to sign autographs and everything and some some guy just walks up to you and shakes your hand and it's a wad full of money."

Kremer: "How much money, how much are we talking about?"

Ramsey: "Three or four hundred dollars a game."

Now Kremer introduces Raven Gray, another Auburn player. Kremer says Gray says "people affiliated with Auburn" visited him while he was in junior college.

Cut to Gray sitting next to Chaz, and Kremer asks Gray how much money he got:

"Twenty-five (hundred), 25 to 3,000 dollars," Gray says.

"This man giving money to me, I'm going to be loyal to him and go up to Auburn," Gray says.

We're told about Ramsey's (dismissed) lawsuit alleging that coaches and a trainer pushed him to return from injury too soon.

Chaz says he has no axe to grind, that he just wants recruits to know it's a business and know what they're getting into.

He also says of an unnamed coach:

"His favorite saying after practice would be, 'Academics is No. 1 (holding up two fingers) and football is No. 2 (holding up one finger), and he would repeat himself on that all the time."

Ramsey talks about selling tickets, helmets, jerseys, etc.:

"I would sell tickets all the time," Ramsey says. "Iron Bowl, you could make a thousand dollars a ticket."

Ramsey estimates he made $5,000 to $6,000 selling tickets.

Kremer points out this is an NCAA violation.

Back to Reddick, who says:

"I sold my SEC championship watch right off the stage as we was celebrating in Toomer's Corner."

Kremer: "Why did you sell it?"

Reddick: "Because it was useless to me. I had to sell all my championship rings to help my sister not go into debt ..."

Segment goes back to Auburn for the close with some general comments from McClover and Reddick.

Auburn gave HBO a statement about the school's dedication to compliance to NCAA and SEC rules.

We're back to the panel discussion now. Rich Rodriguez says the game is cleaner now than at any time he can remember.

Bryant Gumbel makes an off-hand comment about Nick Saban trying to "demonize" agents (referring to his comments saying some were like pimps at last year's SEC Media Days) while at the same time, according to Gumbel, Saban is using kids in the same way (to enrich himself).

Everyone decries the system, Billy Packer says what's going on in basketball recruiting is "worse than it has ever been." (NOTE: I think he's right on this, especially on what he says about the influence of AAU teams and coaches in the process.)

That's about it: whatever else there is comes from the panel discussion, just a lot obvious stuff about how things don't work the way they should.

Hope that gives you guys some facts -- rather than broad speculation -- about what the HBO show is all about and what is and isn't said.



 
Bryant Gumbel makes an off-hand comment about Nick Saban trying to "demonize" agents (referring to his comments saying some were like pimps at last year's SEC Media Days) while at the same time, according to Gumbel, Saban is using kids in the same way (to enrich himself).


Gumbel is an insufferable douche! I really couldn't care less about all of these AU allegations....really. However, this allegation of Saban "enriching" himself by using "kids" is asinine and selective judgment by Gumbel. Couldn't the same be said of any coach, high school or college that has made coaching their profession? Yes but Gumbel is still hung up on Saban's salary and why is that? Could this focus not go to about half a dozen other coaches that are now in the same pay bracket as Saban? Is Gumbel enriching himself by exploiting exploited players? I cannot stand Bryant Gumbel and those of his ilk.
 
One thing I do have a problem with is the thing about them having to pay several hundred dollars to show Prothro's catch and he doesnt get a dime. Stuff like that should be fixed.
 
Along that same logic...everytime espn classic (or others) re-airs a game they would have to play every player on both teams royalties. Or blooper videos, or....it never stops.

I do have beer on tap at the house....dang if it aint hard on the waistline tho. FYI...I have been thinking of selling the kegerator
 
Gumbel is an insufferable douche! I really couldn't care less about all of these AU allegations....really. However, this allegation of Saban "enriching" himself by using "kids" is asinine and selective judgment by Gumbel. Couldn't the same be said of any coach, high school or college that has made coaching their profession? Yes but Gumbel is still hung up on Saban's salary and why is that? Could this focus not go to about half a dozen other coaches that are now in the same pay bracket as Saban? Is Gumbel enriching himself by exploiting exploited players? I cannot stand Bryant Gumbel and those of his ilk.
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Every time Bryant Gumbel opens his yap, it's plain to see why he's been relegated to one solitary cable television show and has been blackballed by the networks. What a priss. Saban needs to go to HBO and kick his ass.
 
I'm so sick and tired of hearing "Auburn" and "allegations". If they actually did something wrong in a pay-for-play scheme and there is legitimate proof...then the NCAA needs to get out the sanction stick. Otherwise it's just more fluff building that isn't going to amount to a darn thing. Seems like everything I hear lately is bad news out of the Plains, but nothing ever comes out of any of it. I'm just fed up with reporters, innuendos, and allegations. Here's hoping the truth finally gets out...
 
We will soon see how "All In" the "family" is, once this resonates. I'm sure it's because they are disgruntled players. It could also be that these former players are out to tell the country exactly how full of @*%# asterick U is. Take your pick. The cult is going with the disgruntled player theory/arguement. Surprise, surprise.
 
I'm so sick and tired of hearing "Auburn" and "allegations". If they actually did something wrong in a pay-for-play scheme and there is legitimate proof...then the NCAA needs to get out the sanction stick. Otherwise it's just more fluff building that isn't going to amount to a darn thing. Seems like everything I hear lately is bad news out of the Plains, but nothing ever comes out of any of it. I'm just fed up with reporters, innuendos, and allegations. Here's hoping the truth finally gets out...

1. The more heat the media brings on auburn, the more likely the NCAA is to bring out that sanction stick.

2. If/When the NCAA pulls out said stick, it won't be for a while anyway. It's a very slow burn.
 
As I read it, there is nothing really new being aired. Am I wrong? It makes me wonder if its Sweeps Week or something.

LBS thoughts, FWIW, is that a high school kid can't physically/mentally make it in the big money world so he enters into a agreement with a University that gets them there...each gives something willingly in exchanged for something. That is the case with every student on a campus, the difference is that the University earns more off Julio Jones than they did off student LBS.

Just like Tyrone's plans did not pan out as he dreamed, many other regular Joes fell short too (and many of them are struggling in this economy while trying to payoff student loans).

When a Baskatball player skips college to go straight to the Pros, no one complains. The college's did not offer anything that this student needed, and the universities lost out.

So many want to make this a business, but they don't see that the principles of business are already in play. Should the universities be able to sue the pro athlete for a cut of his future earnings? Afterall, in part the University did make him? I see this as no more silly than the athlete dipping into the deals that they arranged? If the Athletic Program struggle, as most do, will the athlete have to pony up out of their earnings under any new deal. Profit from profit, loss from loss?
 
That's my biggest problem with not paying college athletes. It feels ethically bankrupt to me to make money off of someone elses work without crediting them.

Well, though I have nothing new to say about it, I will say this, think about someone like Andrew Zow, Tyler Watts, or even Tyrone Prothro, (those that get a free ride through college but don't make it in the NFL, this will eventually include Greg McElroy and he'll be a great example) the University gave them quite a lot as far as pay is concerned. Alabama gave them a free education with which to get a good job and earn good money... So in many ways, The University is paying these players just not during their four years in school but in the long run... if that all makes sense.
 
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