🏈 2019 NFL Draft Thread: Alabama Football Finishes with 10 Former Players Selected in 2019 NFL Draft

1. What are you upset about though? Like, upset that HE'S not making more money or that HE'S not listening to Saban? Or something else?

2. Could have catapulted into a future.... Yes, could have. Also could have blown out his ACL in December .



Coming back did not ensure a "certain" future. Again, there is no way to know what coulda/woulda/shoulda happened in a game where serious injury is one play away . The only certain thing is that he has a job and is getting paid



Again - This is all hypothetical. The "right thing" for you, or Coach Saban, may not be the right thing for him. If he get's seriously injured next season neither of you nor the fans are going to pony up for him because he "did the right thing".

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In the big picture I would agree with most that I likely would have made the other decision, and I can see why he's being judged because of how far he fell. But at the same time it's HIS decision. Sure we are all here to judge and talk a little smack because that's what the internet is for - But there are hypothetical scenarios in both directions here. I'm guessing had he known he would be a 5th rounder - Which BTW even his biggest critic probably didn't see coming, he probably wouldn't have left. But he gown! RTR

I'm not upset about anything. I just think it was a very dumb decision. Savion Smith made a decision I understand because he was not going to see the field this Fall. A lot of issues with the Youth of today is that they want it now and not to put in the time necessary to be better at their trade. This is a perfect example of someone not maximizing their potential. I guess I'm more sad for him because he had a bigger sense of self appreciation than the bosses of the job he was applying for thought. His life, not mine.

He could also tear an ACL walking to the mailbox tomorrow, what's your point? If you're talented enough, an injury doesn't mean your career is ending anymore. Simmons from Mississippi State got hurt in Draft Prep with an ACL, still a first rounder. Todd Gurley tore an ACL and was still a first round draft pick. Jaylon Smith from Notre Dame at one point was thought to lose his leg, dropped to the second round, but still better than dropping to the 5th round as a healthy but underdeveloped player. All examples of an injury not ruining anyone's career.

He has a job and is getting paid? They could cut his ass before he does get paid. Nothing is assured even at this point. His guaranteed money will likely not be much if anything. Even a million dollars after tax, agents, and the initial spending spree will not last five years, then what? Not sure how it works, but from my understanding these guys get paid for each game and have to make the money last the offseason. I could be wrong here, so someone feel free to explain if I am.

I'm not one to simply rail people for these kind of decisions, because I don't hold that kind of animosity for anyone that gave their time and effort for my alma mater. I appreciate all he has done and hope he signs a Mosely type of deal in a few years. Those before him that have been successful knew what that extra year did for them. The evidence supports this. A degree on top of that experience is a nice feather in the cap as well, no matter what anyone here or elsewhere wants to say. I'm not in his shoes, but based off his social media the last few years he's lived a better life at Alabama than the previous 17 in Montgomery. He's also said as much, so there's that. In the end, it's all on him, I've just added my commentary and thoughts on it all. As far as footing the bills, I doubt he's just salivating to cover mine when he makes it as well. We all make decisions in life, and even if he came back, got hurt, and ruined his career, he would always have a chance to get into coaching and Saban would have his door open. Look at Ronnie Clark and what his future plans are and what Sabana has said. Add in the countless others that he has given opportunities too. All is not lost with two more semesters of work.
 
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Mack's deal is 2.8 million and a signing bonus of 307K. Below is the deal for Trey Flowers (5th rounder in last years draft). Unless I am reading this wrong then the guaranteed money for Mack is the 307K he is to be paid.


and Mack's (note they haven't updated all the details in the 2019 deal

 
Mack's deal is 2.8 million and a signing bonus of 307K. Below is the deal for Trey Flowers (5th rounder in last years draft). Unless I am reading this wrong then the guaranteed money for Mack is the 307K he is to be paid.


and Mack's (note they haven't updated all the details in the 2019 deal


I dont think Mack has signed anything yet but using the example you posted of the guy from last year, yes the signing bonus is the only "guaranteed money" he would get. That's a lump sum given to the player when he signs. He'll still get his base salary for the year, unless he's released. Which unfortunately for most players past the third round means you only get paid that signing bonus and whatever of your salary you made up until you were released.
 
I dont think Mack has signed anything yet but using the example you posted of the guy from last year, yes the signing bonus is the only "guaranteed money" he would get. That's a lump sum given to the player when he signs. He'll still get his base salary for the year, unless he's released. Which unfortunately for most players past the third round means you only get paid that signing bonus and whatever of your salary you made up until you were released.

If he (all others) don't make the 53 man roster they're done money wise regardless to what that contract says. Guaranteed money is what matters.

Big Q can ride easy in his Crimson Caddy for sure.


My how time flies....


 
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That's over a third of the players, amazing why they keep trying this. The NFL needs to let all the guys who aren't drafted to go back to school if they want.


The NFL draft is over and 49 of the 144 underclassmen who went pro were not selected. Here's the list.
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That's over a third of the players, amazing why they keep trying this. The NFL needs to let all the guys who aren't drafted to go back to school if they want.


The NFL draft is over and 49 of the 144 underclassmen who went pro were not selected. Here's the list.
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Wow, pretty crazy. One, can't believe a Kicker came out early. Two, surprise Tre Lamar wasn't selected. He's a big ole boy that I felt would fit well with the NFL. His tape is a little meh, but I see him like a Vontaez Burfect without the trouble.

I think these guys should be back in school and what could help things as well is if the NCAA allowed them to transfer schools and not sit out a year after testing the waters, while also not forcing them back to a team they maybe wanted to leave (Savion Smith due to depth chart).
 
Maybe they could come to a compromise and allow them to enter the draft portal and retain their status.

For it to work they would have to follow the basketball model and not sign with an agent. Going to be tougher for them to do because prior to NFL draft the agents front a good deal of money for workouts, travel etc. I would like to see them be able to re-enter school though.
 
The too early McShay mock has Tua & Jeudy going 1 & 2.

Also has Lewis 10, Davis 14, and Ruggs 22, Leatherwood 24, Diggs 25

Surprised to see Lewis considered that high with the injury issues but damn.... Thats a lot of Tiders in the top 25.

Would guess that Diggs blows up and ends up going higher than everyone but Tua and JJ. JMO
 
Good read about Q


Recent trends say Jets' first-round pick Quinnen Williams will be a star
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A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
1. Blue chip for Gang Green: As an economics major at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, Mike Maccagnan studied risk versus reward -- a concept he applies to his current job as general manager of the Jets. Based on risk and reward, Quinnen Williams was perhaps the safest big decision he has ever made. No player is a 100 percent sure thing, but recent trends show the former Alabama star is as close to "can't miss" as there is in today's NFL.
Consider:
  • Williams was trained by the best. Alabama has churned out several highly drafted defensive tackles in recent years, all of whom have found success on the NFL level. Daron Payne and Jonathan Allen, first-round picks by the Washington Redskins in 2018 and 2017, respectively, are ascending players. Marcell Dareus, picked No. 3 overall in 2011 by the Buffalo Bills, was an All-Pro in 2014 before a decline got him shipped 11261out of town.
Defensive lineman Quinnen Williams, the Jets' 2019 first-round pick at No. 3 overall, has the support of Alabama coach Nick Saban. Andy Lyons/Getty Images

"[Williams] isn't a gigantic, huge, overpowering guy, but the rest of it is perfect for this day and age of football," Alabama coach Nick Saban told the NFL Network last week, alluding to Quinnen's quickness, power and instincts.

Remarkably, Williams played only 151 snaps before breaking out in 2018. He was a rotational player before climbing the depth chart at the Tuscaloosa football factory.

"The tradition continues," said Jets radio analyst Marty Lyons, a former D-line player and Crimson Tide star who was a first-round pick of the Jets in 1979. "It's the tradition of Alabama football. Sometimes you have to sit and wait and learn, but Coach Saban always has a philosophy. When you get your opportunity, you have to take advantage of it. Quinnen did. I think he has a lot of upside."
While Suh and Donald made the Pro Bowl as rookies, it would be unfair to expect the same of Williams. Suh and Donald were four-year players in college, giving them an extra year to mature physically and emotionally. Williams, 21, is still developing, but his future is bright.

2. The Saban connection: Williams and coach Adam Gase have something in common. Actually, that something is a someone -- Saban.
Like Williams, Gase worked under the legendary coach in college. At Michigan State, he was an undergraduate assistant on Saban's coaching staff, basically a behind-the-scenes grunt eager to cut his teeth in the coaching profession. Gase must have done a good job because he was invited to join Saban's first staff at LSU, where he served as a graduate assistant (GA).

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A closer look at the Jets' draft class reveals two more Saban connections. Florida pass-rusher Jachai Polite(third round) played for defensive coordinator Todd Grantham, who worked as the Michigan State defensive line coach from 1996 to 1998 -- yep, the same time Gase was there.
West Virginia tight end Trevon Wesco (fourth round) played for a position coach named Travis Trickett, a GA on Saban's 2007 staff at Alabama.
If you're going to have these type of ties to a particular coach, you can do a lot worse than Saban, who has won six national championships.
 
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