šŸˆ Trickle Down Economics and Pigskin Prognostication Week 7: South Carolina at Alabama

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After watching some of the South Carolina games this season yesterday, you've hit the same thing I kept stumbling across yesterday.

Depth is going to be an issue.

I'll have more on this tomorrow AM on an AL.com piece, but I'm seeing this a lot like you are. (Which isn't that much of a shock :lance: )

And, hey!!!

What's up with only 3300 plus words?!?!?! My, the brevity of this write is...

:rofl:
 
This is the second week in a row we are facing a top flight DC. Ellis Johnson showed a few unusual looks in the Ole Miss game and I'm sure he'll have some dialed up for us. We may struggle on offense early but we should wear them down.

I remember from my preview article on the Cocks that their offensive line was one of the major concerns going into the season. Of the three returning starters they had, only one is still starting. I see this game as much like the Ole Miss game. We will shut doiwn the run early and then make Garcia's life miserable. 17 is a lot of points to give against them, but we should have a comfortable win.
 
This is the second week in a row we are facing a top flight DC. Ellis Johnson showed a few unusual looks in the Ole Miss game and I'm sure he'll have some dialed up for us. We may struggle on offense early but we should wear them down.

I remember from my preview article on the Cocks that their offensive line was one of the major concerns going into the season. Of the three returning starters they had, only one is still starting. I see this game as much like the Ole Miss game. We will shut doiwn the run early and then make Garcia's life miserable. 17 is a lot of points to give against them, but we should have a comfortable win.

You have to remember though that some people starting now are back from being in the doghouse last year due to discipline issues (Heath Batchelor and Hutch Eckerson) with that mainly being the reason they didn't start last year.

Jarriel King has been the consistent starter at LT and is doing a great job so far this season. Garrett Anderson at center has been key to opening up some good holes in the running game.

T.J. Johnson, the freshman guard, is supposed to be one of the most talented OL on our roster and he has graded out greatly in every game, he even graded out at 100% in one game this year, yet I can't remember which one that was right now.

I'm not saying our OL will beat up on your D, but I am saying that your statement of only 1 OL from last years starting OL is what is hurting us is misleading.

Our OL is much improved this season, but they indeed haven't had a test quite like Alabama this year. We'll have to see what happens. :cool:
 
Well, Terry, I have to say that you were right last week when you said Nutt was a horrible offensive coach. It just felt like he was doing a bad job, and that has nothing to do with the choice to go for 3, which I think was the right call.

However, Ive always had the impression that Spurrier always finds ways to exploit a D, he just can never execute it with the players he has available. Id look for him to come up with something that might make this a close game that will fail again.

But I think the scary thing when facing a Spurrier coached South Carolina is that if his players could execute his gameplanning.........well, lets just say to take the blood pressure meds.
 
You have to remember though that some people starting now are back from being in the doghouse last year due to discipline issues (Heath Batchelor and Hutch Eckerson) with that mainly being the reason they didn't start last year.

Jarriel King has been the consistent starter at LT and is doing a great job so far this season. Garrett Anderson at center has been key to opening up some good holes in the running game.

T.J. Johnson, the freshman guard, is supposed to be one of the most talented OL on our roster and he has graded out greatly in every game, he even graded out at 100% in one game this year, yet I can't remember which one that was right now.

I'm not saying our OL will beat up on your D, but I am saying that your statement of only 1 OL from last years starting OL is what is hurting us is misleading.

Our OL is much improved this season, but they indeed haven't had a test quite like Alabama this year. We'll have to see what happens. :cool:

A good point. Your OL last year was a mess, to put it kindly. Garcia and Smelley both looked terrible a year ago but they had no running game and rarely had time to set up and throw. Sacks and turnovers are way down this year.

Since I didn't see any of the KY game, how did the Cats score 26 on your defense? I know Cobb is a dangerous player, but the rest of their offense seems average.
 
After watching some of the South Carolina games this season yesterday, you've hit the same thing I kept stumbling across yesterday.

Depth is going to be an issue.

I'll have more on this tomorrow AM on an AL.com piece, but I'm seeing this a lot like you are. (Which isn't that much of a shock :lance: )

And, hey!!!

What's up with only 3300 plus words?!?!?! My, the brevity of this write is...

:rofl:

I came to almost the same conclusion-I have it 31-13 Bama-with no words at all!:smile:
 
Apparently the SC faithful on cockytalk are not particularly fond of my article.

A few things for them...

(1) Yes, I am a homer. duh. Alabama blog. I really don't even see the purpose in stating that...saying it is kind of like making the comment that water is wet, or ice is cold. Imagine sitting at the dinner table, and the person dining with you takes a drink of water and says, "Wow! This water is wet!" You would look at them like they had grown a 3rd eye, and wonder about their intelligence...Reading a blog and calling a writer a homer is worse than that.

(1a) Yes, I have watched SC play several times this season. I don't know how anyone could read my write-up and come away thnking otherwise. If I went stats and matchup comparisons alone, I wouldn't have been as nice.

(2) Yeah, there are a few things I didn't mention...RB's, Norwood on the DL...my write up was 3300 words as it was. That is over 12 typed pages double spaced with 1" margins.

(3) I didn't mention a single RB by name (cut down on space), because to be honest, your running game is not significant enough to talk about. You may end up with negative rushing yards this week.

(4) You have to be uber-homer to not see that Spurrier did essentially the same thing as Saban. Actually what he did may be worse. The difference was that Steve Spurrier quit before he had another job...which makes him a quitter, not an in-demand coach who was hired away. Your coach was just as hated during the 90's as Saban is now - if not more so. Had Spurrier taken the UGA or UT or LSU jobs, he would be winning titles, and you would be talking about him just like you are Saban. He is a jerk - but he is your jerk...the same for us and Saban.

Spurrier left Duke for Florida. He bailed on Florida for the big money of the NFL. He hated the NFL and quit...then he took another college job.

Saban left Mich State for LSU. He left LSU for the big money of the NFL. He hated the NFL and when Alabama offered him a chance to return to college, he jumped on it.

(5) Overall, I thought that I was pretty kind to SC. I gave you credit where credit is due, and I was complimentary in a number of areas regarding both your players and your fan base. While I definitely write from a Bama perspective, I do a lot of research and go into quite a bit of detail. There is a lot of objectivity in my writing, though I pander a bit to my audience. My margin of victory predictions are usually very close. The description of how the game would play out has been right on the money each week. If I miss on South Carolina, it will be the first time this season.

(6) Your OL is serviceable...even decent...but in relation to the DL it is facing this week it is bad. The leading tackler for UK was a DT who wouldn't make the Alabama 3 deep rotation.

If you want SC homer write-ups, read SC blogs.

I don't think you will find many write-ups you don't consider to be biased toward Bama. Alabama is better at virtually every position, and anyone but a SC super-homer would agree with that.

Anyway...I am not ever going to write an article that panders to our opponent. What I wrote wasn't insulting or offensive. If you felt insulted or offended by it, you need to get a life. There is a lot of good meat in there regarding match-ups if you care to actually glean it, but yes, it is from an Alabama perspective. If you are wanting to read about how SC is better than Alabama at any particular area - good luck finding it. You will probably have to write it yourself.
 
I came to almost the same conclusion-I have it 31-13 Bama-with no words at all!:smile:

As you well know, I didn't think Ole Miss had a chance in hell last weekend. So, I started looking at South Carolina in depth last Thursday.

I started at 21 for Bama, moved to 25, I'm not at the 28-30 range and just started looking at their kick coverage units.

Off the cuff...13 sounds about right.

I can't remember if it was Vlachos or Johnson who said, "It's homecoming this week?"

I thought, good—that's where his mind needs to be.
 
A good point. Your OL last year was a mess, to put it kindly. Garcia and Smelley both looked terrible a year ago but they had no running game and rarely had time to set up and throw. Sacks and turnovers are way down this year.

Since I didn't see any of the KY game, how did the Cats score 26 on your defense? I know Cobb is a dangerous player, but the rest of their offense seems average.

Mistakes more than anything. Missing a tackle on a slant route, missing an easy tackle when Cobb was in the Wildcat formation that put them on the 2. In the first half we weren't being aggressive on defense.

Stuff that is easily fixable yet wasn't done last weekend.

I know it's cliche, but I think our team is a night game team, they enjoy playing late in the day rather than first thing in the morning.
 
Trickle Down feedback From cockytalk and my response:

"The entire article is beyond bias. Proven by this 'need' to try and compare what Saban has done during his career and his national reputation as a liar and money chaser to Spurrier's (Darth Visor). Why is this guy so obsessed with the 'perception' of Saban? Because he is blinded by his 'Bamaness' and has his feelings hurt every time someone questions his coach or his history of bailing for the cash....leaving the kids and teams he has asked to commit to him behind for 'greener' pastures.
"
-- LBC


Thats funny. Here is what I wrote regarding that..."I find humor in South Carolina message board posts insulting Saban as an ā€œevil coach who failed in the NFL and bailed on his contract to return to college football.ā€ Darth Visor ring a bell?

..according to my word count, out of 3510 words, only 36 were used to say anything about Saban and Spurrier career hopping...that is roughly 1% of the article. Obsessed...guilty as charged, I guess... Starting with "Proven by," It took LBC 81 words to say I was obsessed with defending Saban!


"It was written by a BAMA homer....."
-- Armycock

"The write up pretty good but it is obviously written by a Bama homer."
-- PageUSC


To repeat what I said earlier...Yes, I am a homer:elephant:. duh. Alabama blog. Notice the name at the top of the page....then notice my screen name is "Big_Fan." I really don't even see the purpose in stating that...saying it is kind of like making the comment that water is wet, or ice is cold. Imagine sitting at the dinner table, and the person dining with you takes a drink of water and says, "Wow! This water is wet!" You would look at them like they had grown a 3rd eye, and wonder about their intelligence...Reading a blog and calling a writer a homer is worse than that.

...but thanks for the sort-of compliment PageUSC.

"Id also like to know what their placekicker has done because clearly 10-11 is inferior."
--SCGamecocks12


Yeah, I mentioned that Spencer Lanning is 10 of 11. He is also a first year place-kicker with 11 career attempts, and he has not kicked a field goal over 41 yards. Leigh Tiffin (currently ranked #3 nationally in field goals) is a 3rd year starter who was preseason all-SEC and on the Lou Groza watch list, was named Lou Groza player of the week this week, and is 14 of 16 with a long of 54. As of last week, he has scored 445 points in his career. I would say that he trumps a first year kicker who is 10 of 11 with a long of 41. Does that answer your question?

good article, i dont like some of the argument. He fails to mention how we split RB times between 3 RBS. Id also like to know what their placekicker has done because clearly 10-11 is inferior. Also tries to make the stars argument how we have more 3 stars, i do not like that at all, there has been a lot of argument on that so i wont go there.

his whole argument is stat driven, it seems like hes never watched a USC game. I mean he doesnt mention eric norwood for the dline and how he dominates the line coming off the edge along with a few other missing things


I didn't mention the split time between 3 RB's because it is irrelevent. Alabama splits time between 3 or 4...and 2 are top 100 rushing. I concentrated mainly on the total rushing aspect, and SC simply isn't very good, averaging just over 100 yards in SEC play...and that Ole Miss team that held SC to 67 yards? We dropped 200 on them. SC was the worst in the conference in running the ball last season. I have watched you play and don't think you are significantly improved. That three back rotation at SC does not contain one back who would crack the rotation at Alabama. Enough said.

If you actually follow recruiting and look at star ratings, as much as you don't want them to matter - they do. The teams who recruit highly ranked players win more than those who don't. There are occasional exceptions, but not many, and not often. If you went back and read my opening column of the season, you might get a better understanding of why the article is named what it is...I examine the depth issues and player development of lesser recruits...trickle down in economics applied to football.

As for the issue with content, I spent 123 words on your LB's. I could have written 10 pages on Norwood, but simply didn't have time or space to do so - and it is a Bama blog, not a SC fluff piece.

Missing things? 3500 words...that is over 12 typed pages, double spaced, with 1" margins all around. How much more did you want? I can't put everything in there.

And my favorite...

"I hope that the Alabama team is as arrogant as their writers. I hope they look past this team and get caught by surprise."
-- bdub


LOL @ bdub. just LOL.:rofl:

I guess I should be proud to be officially named one of the writers for the Alabama team! To think, I thought I was just a full time seminarian who is an Alabama fan and writes articles for the RTB blog in my spare time - primarily for stress relief! I throw in a bunch of stats and info to try and make it useful for Alabama fans who want to know how the Tide matches up with their opponent, and I make a prediction based on my own formula and stat comparison. People seem to like it and enjoy it, and that makes me happy.

arrogant? You get THAT from my article? pffft.

:td:Terry!!!! Call Saban and find out where my check is being mailed! I am one of the writers for the team!!!! :td:
 
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Not to mention... I am SURE those kids he recruited for LSU who, y'know, won another national championship shortly after are absolutely livid at him for putting them in a position to play in front of 80,000 fans, win an NC and watch several of their number go to the NFL. They'll all be sittin around, wiping tears from their eyes with their be-ringed hands, crying out 'Why oh why couldn't we have played for a team with a girl's name on the front of the jerseys!'
 
Trickle Down feedback From cockytalk and my response:

"The entire article is beyond bias. Proven by this 'need' to try and compare what Saban has done during his career and his national reputation as a liar and money chaser to Spurrier's (Darth Visor). Why is this guy so obsessed with the 'perception' of Saban? Because he is blinded by his 'Bamaness' and has his feelings hurt every time someone questions his coach or his history of bailing for the cash....leaving the kids and teams he has asked to commit to him behind for 'greener' pastures.
"
-- LBC


Thats funny. Here is what I wrote regarding that..."I find humor in South Carolina message board posts insulting Saban as an ā€œevil coach who failed in the NFL and bailed on his contract to return to college football.ā€ Darth Visor ring a bell?

..according to my word count, out of 3510 words, only 36 were used to say anything about Saban and Spurrier career hopping...that is roughly 1% of the article. Obsessed...guilty as charged, I guess... Starting with "Proven by," It took LBC 81 words to say I was obsessed with defending Saban!


"It was written by a BAMA homer....."
-- Armycock

"The write up pretty good but it is obviously written by a Bama homer."
-- PageUSC


To repeat what I said earlier...Yes, I am a homer:elephant:. duh. Alabama blog. Notice the name at the top of the page....then notice my screen name is "Big_Fan." I really don't even see the purpose in stating that...saying it is kind of like making the comment that water is wet, or ice is cold. Imagine sitting at the dinner table, and the person dining with you takes a drink of water and says, "Wow! This water is wet!" You would look at them like they had grown a 3rd eye, and wonder about their intelligence...Reading a blog and calling a writer a homer is worse than that.

...but thanks for the sort-of compliment PageUSC.

"Id also like to know what their placekicker has done because clearly 10-11 is inferior."
--SCGamecocks12


Yeah, I mentioned that Spencer Lanning is 10 of 11. He is also a first year place-kicker with 11 career attempts, and he has not kicked a field goal over 41 yards. Leigh Tiffin (currently ranked #3 nationally in field goals) is a 3rd year starter who was preseason all-SEC and on the Lou Groza watch list, was named Lou Groza player of the week this week, and is 14 of 16 with a long of 54. As of last week, he has scored 445 points in his career. I would say that he trumps a first year kicker who is 10 of 11 with a long of 41. Does that answer your question?

good article, i dont like some of the argument. He fails to mention how we split RB times between 3 RBS. Id also like to know what their placekicker has done because clearly 10-11 is inferior. Also tries to make the stars argument how we have more 3 stars, i do not like that at all, there has been a lot of argument on that so i wont go there.

his whole argument is stat driven, it seems like hes never watched a USC game. I mean he doesnt mention eric norwood for the dline and how he dominates the line coming off the edge along with a few other missing things


I didn't mention the split time between 3 RB's because it is irrelevent. Alabama splits time between 3 or 4...and 2 are top 100 rushing. I concentrated mainly on the total rushing aspect, and SC simply isn't very good, averaging just over 100 yards in SEC play...and that Ole Miss team that held SC to 67 yards? We dropped 200 on them. SC was the worst in the conference in running the ball last season. I have watched you play and don't think you are significantly improved. That three back rotation at SC does not contain one back who would crack the rotation at Alabama. Enough said.

If you actually follow recruiting and look at star ratings, as much as you don't want them to matter - they do. The teams who recruit highly ranked players win more than those who don't. There are occasional exceptions, but not many, and not often. If you went back and read my opening column of the season, you might get a better understanding of why the article is named what it is...I examine the depth issues and player development of lesser recruits...trickle down in economics applied to football.

As for the issue with content, I spent 123 words on your LB's. I could have written 10 pages on Norwood, but simply didn't have time or space to do so - and it is a Bama blog, not a SC fluff piece.

Missing things? 3500 words...that is over 12 typed pages, double spaced, with 1" margins all around. How much more did you want? I can't put everything in there.

And my favorite...

"I hope that the Alabama team is as arrogant as their writers. I hope they look past this team and get caught by surprise."
-- bdub


LOL @ bdub. just LOL.:rofl:

I guess I should be proud to be officially named one of the writers for the Alabama team! To think, I thought I was just a full time seminarian who is an Alabama fan and writes articles for the RTB blog in my spare time - primarily for stress relief! I throw in a bunch of stats and info to try and make it useful for Alabama fans who want to know how the Tide matches up with their opponent, and I make a prediction based on my own formula and stat comparison. People seem to like it and enjoy it, and that makes me happy.

arrogant? You get THAT from my article? pffft.

:td:Terry!!!! Call Saban and find out where my check is being mailed! I am one of the writers for the team!!!! :td:

Just like a bunch of douchbags to pull an article off an Alabama site and call you are homer...what idiots. Just like everyone of their responses are from Cock homers.

Just another group of fans I like to see lose on Sat.
 
Awesome rebuttal. Why do inferior teams get so torqued by an obviously Bama biased piece? I don't board hop for this very reason. I couldn't care less what someone thinks of their own team, therefore I wouldn't even bother to read someone elses work. Am I alone in this?
 
Awesome rebuttal. Why do inferior teams get so torqued by an obviously Bama biased piece? I don't board hop for this very reason. I couldn't care less what someone thinks of their own team, therefore I wouldn't even bother to read someone elses work. Am I alone in this?
No you are not. I only care about what my teams does every week. I do not ever go to other boards for what they think about my team.:a:
 
Did y'all see part of Spurrier's presser on ESPNU yesterday?

Ol' Boy Coach said that he believed he had the two best defensive pass rushers in the country. Wants to get Bama into a "passing game" in order to take advantage of them.

Wants to jump on Bama and score early to force them to throw. Says that's the best way for USC to have a shot at beating the Tide. Make them (Bama) resort to a passing game.
 
Did y'all see part of Spurrier's presser on ESPNU yesterday?

Ol' Boy Coach said that he believed he had the two best defensive pass rushers in the country. Wants to get Bama into a "passing game" in order to take advantage of them.

Wants to jump on Bama and score early to force them to throw. Says that's the best way for USC to have a shot at beating the Tide. Make them (Bama) resort to a passing game.

One flaw with his thought process there.

I've yet to see Saban and our staff get pulled out of our game plan. Even with Utah up by 21, we didn't.

On the other hand, I've seen Spurrier—this year—have his team running the ball fairly well, the other team scores to go up a bit, and he completely ditches what they were doing and starts tossing the ball all over the place.

While both are respectable coaches, which one is going to lose his composure if things are working his way? Spurrier with his offense, or Saban with his defense?
 
I've been over to cockytalk a few times. The majoirty of those guys think their team is USC caliber, as in the real USC. :lance:

Who cares what someone thinks on a message board named cockytalk of all things? since when did being cocky become something to admire about? Must be a SC inferiority complex thing.

Let it roll off your back like the Tide os going to roll over USCjr. :a:

Good stuff as usual B_F!
 
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