šŸˆ So what're the odds on Baylor's program getting axed at this point?

While it's available, everyone says the death penalty will never be applied again. Wholesale change within the athletic department is likely. There may be some additional coaching and football admin positions changed as well.
 
i don't think it'll happen.

the ncaa has had too many chances to pull the trigger...not even talking death penalty....on institutions and they seem like they're scared to do anything.

either that or someone's pockets are getting lined.
 
I mean, what the fuck? What is it about Baylor where all this shit went down? I mean, this stuff can't be going on to this degree and this rampant at all colleges across this country, can it? This is simply unbelievable at this point.
 
I have a son who graduated college and never thought twice about anything like this , but I have a daughter who is a junior this year and it's disturbing as hell to think about now ...

I've tried to talk her about college's nearby so she can stay home , but I feel like that's not what she wants .....BUT , I guarantee it won't be Baylor.
 
my youngest niece will be graduating next year.

i shudder to think of anything happening to her.

then i shudder to think of what i'd do to the poor soul that caused her harm or did anything along the lines of the current topic.
 
Neither was Penn State...
Quick retort; only part of the story.

What happened with the NCAA overstepping its boundaries with Penn State? Penn State said, "hell no," and took it to court. We know that story with the NCAA backpedaling on their sanctions.

The NCAA doesn't have a way to sanction Baylor because there aren't any rules governing things like this. Should there be? There's a legitimate question, but it's also a box named Pandora.

While college football is entertainment, there has to be a proposal submitted, voted on, etc. That's the NCAA. For some here, the first person they should be talking with is Dr. Bell.
 
It's a slimy slope.....PSU was horrific....Baylors so too....
I dont know what to make of humans acting this way to other humans...
And right Terry.....PsU may have won court battle...but the stigma and humiliation was imprinted......Baylor deserves same...and Baylor a Baptist school....a school of the Lord Almighty....WTF....
So no....no legal right....but PSU people gotta say why not them...
And dont tell me coaches didn't know...shit...they know....something on occasion...naw...but constant over n over....they know...Joepa knew...low lifes..
And the players.....definitely go after them as low life sucking hard criminals..
 
Penn State administrators bent over to the NCAA to get it over with quickly, even though the NCAA had no authority to punish the school for matters not related to recruiting or sport administration. That's why the lawsuits and backpedaling has occurred. The Baylor administration had to know that these events occurred. It's a criminal matter that will impact the sports program. My bet is that Baylor either places severe restrictions on its own programs or gets rid of all coaches and administrators that were on staff at that time.
 
Maybe I am over analyzing things but how is this a Title IX issue? Isn't that about being excluded from participation, denied benefits or discriminated against? These issues seem to be above and beyond Title IX and deep into criminal charges.
 
Maybe I am over analyzing things but how is this a Title IX issue? Isn't that about being excluded from participation, denied benefits or discriminated against? These issues seem to be above and beyond Title IX and deep into criminal charges.

Yes it is. And, that's what the root of the suit is about.

It's about how the cases are being handled because they are athletes. They (the victims) feel they're being treated differently; like the girl at FSU with Winston. It may be a loose translation, but that's falling under Title IX protection.
 
Can't discriminate based on sex when you get funding from the federal government.

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
 
Yeah, I suppose I see the link but I would think this being criminal in nature would supersede the Title IX issue. Maybe they are using the "Al Capone" rule and going after the school any way they can. I know they cleaned house as far as the upper echelon but that may have merely scratched the surface.
 
Yeah, I suppose I see the link but I would think this being criminal in nature would supersede the Title IX issue.
In my opinion, that's a large part of the problem. When these rapes are reported it's supposed to go through the Title IX departments. There are situations where employees, in the Title IX offices, are investigating and ruling on things that were/are better off left with law enforcement.

There's part of Baylor's tangled web. It's also part of the web at Tennessee recently, the web at Vandy and those guys back in court again.
 
Maybe I am over analyzing things but how is this a Title IX issue? Isn't that about being excluded from participation, denied benefits or discriminated against? These issues seem to be above and beyond Title IX and deep into criminal charges.

From Wikipedia:

Title IX applies to all educational programs and all aspects of a school's educational system. Civil rights activists and organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) maintain that "when students suffer sexual assault and harassment, they are deprived of equal and free access to an education." Further, according to an April 2011 letter issued by the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, "The sexual harassment of students, including sexual violence, interferes with students' right to receive an education free from discrimination and, in the case of sexual violence, is a crime."

The letter, known colloquially as the "Dear Colleague" letter, states that it is the responsibility of institutions of higher education "to take immediate and effective steps to end sexual harassment and sexual violence." The letter illustrates multiple examples of Title IX requirements as they relate to sexual violence, and makes clear that, should an institution fail to fulfill its responsibilities under Title IX, the Department of Education can impose a fine and potentially deny further institutional access to federal funds.

On March 15, 2011, Yale undergraduate student and alleged sexual violence survivor Alexandra Brodsky filed a Title IX complaint along with fifteen fellow students alleging Yale "has a sexually hostile environment and has failed to adequately respond to sexual harassment concerns."

In October 2012, an Amherst College student, Angie Epifano, wrote an explicit, personal account of her alleged sexual assault and the ensuing, "appalling treatment" she received when coming forward to seek support from the College's administration. In the narrative, Epifano alleged that she was raped by a fellow Amherst student and described how her life was affected by the experience; she stated that the perpetrator harassed her at the only dining hall, that her academics were negatively affected, and that, when she sought support, the administration coerced her into taking the blame for her experience, and ultimately institutionalized her and pressured her to drop out.

"The fact that such a prestigious institution could have such a noxious interior fills me with intense remorse mixed with sour distaste. I am sickened by the Administration's attempts to cover up survivors' stories, cook their books to discount rapes, pretend that withdrawals never occur, quell attempts at change, and sweep sexual assaults under a rug. When politicians cover up affairs or scandals the masses often rise up in angry protestations and call for a more transparent government. What is the difference between a government and the Amherst College campus? Why can't we know what is really happening on campus? Why should we be quiet about sexual assault?"

When the Amherst case reached national attention, Annie E. Clark and Andrea Pino, two women who were allegedly sexually assaulted at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill connected with Amherst student, Dana Bolger, and Brodsky to address the parallel concerns of hostility at their institution, filing Title IX and Clery Act complaints against the university on January 2013, both leading to investigations by the U.S. Department of Education.

Following the national prominence of the UNC Chapel Hill case, organizers Pino and Clark went on to coordinate with students at other schools; in 2013, complaints citing violations of Title IX were filed by Occidental College (on April 18), Swarthmore College and the University of Southern California (on May 22). These complaints, the resulting campaigns against sexual violence on college campuses, and the organizing of Bolger, Brodsky, Clark, Pino and other activists led to the formation of an informal national network of activists. Bolger and Brodsky also started Know Your IX, an organization of student activists focused on legal education and federal and state policy change.

In addition to its use within formal complaints submitted to the Department of Education, Title IX has been utilized in civil litigation. In 2006, a federal court found that there was sufficient evidence that the University of Colorado acted with "deliberate indifference" toward students Lisa Simpson and Anne Gilmore, who were sexually assaulted by student football players. The university settled the case, promising to change its policies and pay $2.5 million in damages. In 2008, Arizona State University was the subject of a lawsuit that alleged violations of rights guaranteed by Title IX: the university expelled a football player for multiple instances of severe sexual harassment, but readmitted him; he went on to rape a fellow student in her dorm room. Despite its claim that it bore no responsibility, the school settled the lawsuit, agreeing to revise and improve its official response to sexual misconduct and to pay the plaintiff $850,000 in damages and fees.
 
Remember, Baylor didn't have a Title IX office when most of this happened or have any policies/procedures for handling this kind of thing (see Pepper Hamilton report).

U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman has allowed victims to file Title IX claims against Baylor through the spring of 2018. He also threw out the negligence, duty to protect, breech of contract claims. http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Ruling+on+BU+dismissal+motion+03.07.17.pdf
 
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