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SEC created division format. As East-West gap widens, here’s why it must get rid of them
By Matt Hinton
DECEMBER 13, 2016


This year marked the 25th edition of the SEC Championship Game, and arguably the worst: Alabama demolished Florida 54-16, covering a 24-point spread with anticlimactic ease. The blowout felt inevitable, extending the West Division’s championship winning streak over the East to eight straight, seven of them by at least two touchdowns. It also dropped the East’s record against the West this season to 4-11, and to 20-48 in the five years since the SEC expanded to 14 teams.

Because the SEC pioneered the format, in 1992, this year was also the 25th anniversary of the basic concept of intra-conference divisions in college football, and the results across the country didn’t exactly offer a ringing endorsement for it, either.

In the Big Ten, the conference produced two top-five teams at the end of November for the first time in a decade, then staged a championship game on the first Saturday of December that didn’t feature either one of them; Penn State claimed the title, but Ohio State — technically the runner-up in the B1G East — punched its ticket to the playoff while watching on TV like the rest of us.

The Pac-12 Championship excluded the conference’s best team at the end of the regular season, USC, despite an eight-game winning streak that included wins over both of the participants, Colorado and Washington. (Colorado also benefitted enormously as one of the two South Division teams that didn’t have to play the Huskies in the regular season; judging from the 31-point margin in the championship, the Buffs wouldn’t have been there if they had.)

The ACC title game left Louisville and Florida State at home while a lower-ranked team, Virginia Tech, was dispatched by a Clemson outfit that UL and FSU both took to the final gun.

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Collectively, those games also echoed the lopsided divide in the SEC, marking the third consecutive championship win for the Big Ten East over the West, the sixth consecutive for the Pac-12 North over the South, and the sixth straight for the ACC Atlantic over the Coastal.

Meanwhile, the Big 12 — the only major conference without divisions or an official championship game, for the time being — again managed to be the only one that actually staged a de facto championship between clearly its two best teams: For the second year in a row the regularly-scheduled Bedlam match between Oklahoma and Oklahoma State turned out to be a winner-take-all collision between rivals sitting atop the Big 12 standings after navigating identical, round-robin conference schedules to that point.

Which brings us to the big question: Are divisions in college football still a good idea? For that matter, were they ever a good idea? Conference expansion has entrenched the two-division setup as a standard format for dealing with the sprawl of 12- and 14-team lineups, especially in the SEC, which has grown and thrived around the East-West breakdown for a generation.

Historically speaking, though, the concept is relatively young, and the larger conferences grow the more the seams start to show. Among the most obvious drawbacks: Imbalanced schedules, long layoffs in certain cross-division series — under the current arrangement, SEC teams in opposite divisions can go as long as seven years between meetings — and lopsided championship matchups that regularly exclude one or (in the Big Ten’s case) both of the league’s two best teams. When one side dominates the other to the extent that the SEC West has the East, maybe it’s time to start asking if there’s a better idea.

By far the best model I’ve come across for eliminating divisions, and one I enthusiastically endorse, was laid out last summer in a series of posts by SB Nation’s Bill Connelly and Jason Kirk. Under their plan, each conference would have to organize itself a little differently based on the number of teams in the league and the number of conference games on the schedule, but they could all follow the same basic premise.

In the SEC, for example, Connelly and Kirk proposed that each team would trade its six division games under the current format for three permanent, protected rivalry games that it would play every year. That would look something like this (these are my own suggestions, not theirs, but you get the gist):

Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi State
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: Missouri, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Florida, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

There are sure to be some quibbles with that lineup, given the exclusion of games like Tennessee/Georgia, Tennessee/Kentucky, LSU/Florida, LSU/Arkansas, etc. from the annual rotation. But the most important rivalries are preserved: The Iron Bowl, Egg Bowl, Cocktail Party, and Third Saturday in October aren’t going anywhere. They’ll serve as the foundation for the rest of the schedule.

Now, in an eight-game conference slate, that leaves 10 teams to fill the remaining five dates in a pair of two-year, home-and-home cycles. (Connelly and Kirk suggest alternating the cycles between odd years and even years; I prefer keeping the home-and-home dates in consecutive years. Again, a minor distinction.) So the full schedule would look something like this, with the second cycle replacing the first every two years and vice versa:

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Beyond preserving (most) traditional rivalries, the beauty of this setup is threefold:

1. Each team plays every other team twice in a four-year cycle. Every player who signs out of high school and stays all four years would make at least one visit to every stadium in the conference, which they can’t say now. Five full years into its SEC tenure Texas A&M has yet to play Georgia or Kentucky.

2. The schedules are balanced. Like, very balanced. It’s impossible to account for the annual fluctuations of who’s up and who’s down in a given year, but if you look closely it’s safe to say that no team in this scenario is getting off light. I deliberately split up the league’s best two programs over the past decade, Alabama and LSU, so that they never fall in the same cycle; one or the other will appear on every team’s schedule every year, but (except for the schools with permanent rivalries vs. Bama or LSU) never both of them. I also split up games against Florida and Georgia, Ole Miss and Mississippi State, and Kentucky and Vanderbilt along the same lines. Based on historical success, the variations in strength of schedule are minuscule.

3. It produces the best possible championship matchup. The two teams that emerge with the best records against such evenly matched schedules should be pretty clearly the best two, no questions asked. Would you be interested in an SEC title game that’s actually, ya know, interesting?

I can only think of one real drawback to this system, and under certain circumstances it could be a big one: If the top two teams in a given year close the season in a rivalry game — I’m thinking specifically of Alabama and Auburn, but it could also apply to LSU and Texas A&M or any other year-end clash — the prospect of a quick-turnaround rematch in the Georgia Dome could significantly diminish the stakes.

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(This would have been a problem for the Big 12 if it had a championship game in place the past two years, when Oklahoma’s resounding victories over OSU on the final Saturday of the regular season settled the question beyond any doubt; in both cases, the Sooners and Cowboys would have just played again in the title game anyway, rendering the first game basically irrelevant. That worst-case scenario will definitely be on the league’s mind when it reinstates a championship game next year.)

Think about the 2013 Kick-Six game, for example, and how different it would have felt if Auburn had to follow up one of the most dramatic victories on record by facing the Crimson Tide again seven days later — if Bama had essentially been granted a mulligan to erase the impact of the Iron Bowl. At least with divisions any possibility of a rematch in the title game is mitigated by the uncertainty of the intervening weeks.

All things considered, though, the risk of enduring that specific scenario once every 10 or 15 years is vastly outweighed by the advantages: By scrapping the divisional format, the SEC (and every other league) can ensure more balance and diversity in its conference schedule, deliver a better product in its climactic game of the year, and do it without jeopardizing the rivalries fans care about the most. Tear down the wall, and let the conference be the best version of itself.
 
I like this scenario. I have often thought that restructuring to a North/South division would be good, however you run into a weak North and a super strong South division if you do it logistically. This setup seems to be the best of both worlds.
 
Divisional play has kept many more deserving teams out of the CCG as they've put in. We've even had a 6-6 UCLA team playing an 11-1 Oregon team, while an 11-1 Stanford team with Andrew Luck at QB had to watch on TV with no hope of a BCS bid. The ACC had a 6-6 GaTech team playing as well with much better teams watching. Only a few times in conference championship history has the actual 2 best teams played for the right to the BCS/Playoffs
 
Conferences are required to either play a complete round robin schedule within divisions or a complete round robin of all teams. Which is why the Big 12 has flipped and flopped between the two since the rule was amended to allow them to have a CCG. It appears now they will stay with the latter.

The SEC has no such option because there is no 13 game regular season and it would be a cold day in hell before they voted to play a complete 13 game round robin conference schedule if there was one. Hell, they won't even vote in a 9 game conference schedule.
 
YES! Eliminate divisions! But also ... eliminate mandatory conference championship games. This would remedy the "one drawback" the author describes.
I can only think of one real drawback to this system, and under certain circumstances it could be a big one: If the top two teams in a given year close the season in a rivalry game — I’m thinking specifically of Alabama and Auburn, but it could also apply to LSU and Texas A&M or any other year-end clash — the prospect of a quick-turnaround rematch in the Georgia Dome could significantly diminish the stakes.
These are amateurs, right? Student-athletes, right? So stop making them play meaningless automatic games in order to fill the pockets of other rich people. If the top two teams in a conference happen to play each other in the last regular season game, SO BE IT. Skip a unnecessary championship game, and reward the regular season head-to-head winner!

In my opinion, the only need for a conference championship game is if two teams tied for best conference record and didn't play each other during the regular season.

On the other hand, I realize the racket of conference title games. So I could live with the next best reform: at the very least, reward conference champions with home-field advantage during the semi-final round (if they make the Final Four). It's perverse to reward a top four team not competing in a conference title game (Ohio St this season) just the same as other teams burdened with the risks of conference title games.

Alabama (as a conference title game winner and higher seed) should be rewarded with home-field advantage against Washington. And similarly Clemson should be rewarded by hosting Ohio St (as a non-conference champ). Then the semi-final winners could both play at a neutral site (50/50 tickets) for the national title.
 
YES! Eliminate divisions! But also ... eliminate mandatory conference championship games. This would remedy the "one drawback" the author describes.

These are amateurs, right? Student-athletes, right? So stop making them play meaningless automatic games in order to fill the pockets of other rich people. If the top two teams in a conference happen to play each other in the last regular season game, SO BE IT. Skip a unnecessary championship game, and reward the regular season head-to-head winner!

In my opinion, the only need for a conference championship game is if two teams tied for best conference record and didn't play each other during the regular season.

On the other hand, I realize the racket of conference title games. So I could live with the next best reform: at the very least, reward conference champions with home-field advantage during the semi-final round (if they make the Final Four). It's perverse to reward a top four team not competing in a conference title game (Ohio St this season) just the same as other teams burdened with the risks of conference title games.

Alabama (as a conference title game winner and higher seed) should be rewarded with home-field advantage against Washington. And similarly Clemson should be rewarded by hosting Ohio St (as a non-conference champ). Then the semi-final winners could both play at a neutral site (50/50 tickets) for the national title.
You know that these schools need money, you want all these schools to go broke! ;)
 
FWIW, the title and content of the article are misleading in that the SEC neither created nor pioneered the division format. The format was created and required by NCAA rule in order to have CCGs in 1AA, and had been in use for many years in 1AA. I will give him that it was pioneered in 1A by the SEC. The NCAA never intended the rule to be used outside 1AA and they had a meltdown when the SEC took the rule and used it to expand and create the SECCG.
 
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FWIW, the title and content of the article are misleading in that the SEC neither created nor pioneered the division format. The format was created and required by NCAA rule in order to have CGs in 1AA, and had been in use for many years in 1AA. I will give him that it was pioneered in 1A by the SEC. The NCAA never intended the rule to be used outside 1AA and they had a meltdown when the SEC took the rule to expand and create the SECCG.

In other words, 10RC Kramer is an idiot?
 
FWIW, the title and content of the article are misleading in that the SEC neither created nor pioneered the division format. The format was created and required by NCAA rule in order to have CCGs in 1AA, and had been in use for many years in 1AA. I will give him that it was pioneered in 1A by the SEC. The NCAA never intended the rule to be used outside 1AA and they had a meltdown when the SEC took the rule and used it to expand and create the SECCG.

You're nitpicking a bit, he's obviously meaning Kramer/SEC pioneered it in IA/FBS. He should have been more clear and pointed that they took a IAA rule and took advantage of it to the dismay of the NCAA tho.

As far as getting rid of the conference championship game, Im fine with that. It was needed back in the early 90s when they did it and it revolutionized FBS football but with the shift to the playoffs it isnt needed anymore. Just get rid of the divisions and let each team play each other and then have one non-conference game. It will put more pressure on the SEC schools to make sure that non-conference game is a big time school too. Because the committee is going to argue that if you went undefeated but only played SEC schools and then beat Chattanooga how great are you really? There will be no measuring stick with other conferences.

That will also destroy some of these smaller schools that make millions from playing FBS/bigger schools too so that is a point that most won't care to look at. As much as we hate seeing Alabama face those schools they thrive off of that extra money.
 
You're nitpicking a bit, he's obviously meaning Kramer/SEC pioneered it in IA/FBS. He should have been more clear and pointed that they took a IAA rule and took advantage of it to the dismay of the NCAA tho.

As far as getting rid of the conference championship game, Im fine with that. It was needed back in the early 90s when they did it and it revolutionized FBS football but with the shift to the playoffs it isnt needed anymore. Just get rid of the divisions and let each team play each other and then have one non-conference game. It will put more pressure on the SEC schools to make sure that non-conference game is a big time school too. Because the committee is going to argue that if you went undefeated but only played SEC schools and then beat Chattanooga how great are you really? There will be no measuring stick with other conferences.

That will also destroy some of these smaller schools that make millions from playing FBS/bigger schools too so that is a point that most won't care to look at. As much as we hate seeing Alabama face those schools they thrive off of that extra money.


Sorry, but anyone who wasn't around when it happened (and probably the majority of them who didn't have a clue as to what was going on) would come away from that article thinking that the SEC created divisions and CCGs. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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The issue with all these thoughts is that conference division strength change over time... 10 to 15 years ago, the EAST side of the SEC was the power house with UGA, UT and UF playing the big boy roles. Now it's shifted to the West... but give it time and it'll shift back. Also, UT used to be a tough matchup for Bama as a yearly cross division game, now not so much....

Personally, I think they should expand to 16 or 18 in the conference and count the record for in Division only. Champion of the EAST plays the WEST. You can keep 1 or 2 cross division games, but don't count them in the conference record. Ideally, I'd like to see a 20 team conference with a 9 game round robin Division only schedule and then EAST champ plays West Champ... but, that's just me ;)
 
I don't think the AD's would vote for the format of losing conferences , sure basketball did it , but only to try and prop up a decent team and not a straggler to make it to the tournament .

And they sure wouldn't lose championship game it was the most watched this year . Over 12,000,000 people watched .too much money.

Since 2009 it would be BAMA /LSU ..... just about every year .......think Florida , Georgia , Tennessee , and the bottom feeders would vote that way , knowing it would be the death vote of any dream they ever had of making the championship game. A lot will haft to happen for all that other to happen . I believe.
 
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