🏈 QB Battle, or 2 QB System?

[uofarolltide]

Upon rewatching the game, I realized something: We have two different offensive schemes, one for each QB.

With Coker, it's more Pro-style passing downfield. With Bateman, it's the Blake Sims Malzahn package we saw late last season.
I'm starting to wonder if this QB "competition" isn't actually morphing into a 2 QB system where we can alternate our offensive scheme based on what's working.
I think moving forward, Coker will continue to be the default starter, but I think we might see the Bateman package come out in each game to test the opposing defense.

Personally, I think it's genius and makes our offense more multiple and dynamic.

What would y'all think about a 2 QB system, and which style do you prefer?

 

[BlackPawnMartyr]

We had 2 packages for 2 different QBs in 2013. One for the starter, and one for the back up. Until they run a 2 QB system there is no reason to believe we will have one.

 

[uofarolltide]

We had 2 packages for 2 different QBs in 2013. One for the starter, and one for the back up. Until they run a 2 QB system there is no reason to believe we will have one.

Okay captain fucking buzzkill. We don't have a starter and a backup yet. We currently have a 2 qb system. The question is will it remain that way...

 

[BlackPawnMartyr]

. We currently have a 2 qb system. The question is will it remain that way...

We do? A 2 QB system is one where one QB comes in and out of the game randomly to run a play or 2, then the starter comes back in. If I remember correctly the starter played into the 3rd Q, then the back up came in, then the 3rd stringer came in.

 

[TerryP]

Upon rewatching the game, I realized something: We have two different offensive schemes, one for each QB.

With Coker, it's more Pro-style passing downfield. With Bateman, it's the Blake Sims Malzahn package we saw late last season.
I'm starting to wonder if this QB "competition" isn't actually morphing into a 2 QB system where we can alternate our offensive scheme based on what's working.
I think moving forward, Coker will continue to be the default starter, but I think we might see the Bateman package come out in each game to test the opposing defense.

Personally, I think it's genius and makes our offense more multiple and dynamic.

What would y'all think about a 2 QB system, and which style do you prefer?

A few thoughts here ...

Using the term "Blake Sims Malzahn package" is enough to get you drawn and quartered, IMO. Blatant heresy. :slap8:

Considering the time of the game that Bateman came in I can't see drawing a conclusion Bama is moving to a two QB system. That's the time of the game where Saban and the staff are trying to take the "air out of the ball."

There was one year at LSU where the back-up received quite a few snaps and there never really was a "starter" or "back-up" determined/announced between Marcus Randall and Jemarcus Russell. Even with two QB's playing that season, it wasn't a two-QB system. Point being, Saban hasn't had two schemes in any of the years he's coached collegiate football.

In my opinion, it would be a horrible coaching decision to have two offensive schemes. The practice time available is a premium and that would be a waste of time, energy, and effort.

When's the last time you saw a two-QB system have any type of success? Before the Tebow-Leak comparison is played let's remember Tebow was used on short yardage situations: almost as a fullback playing the role of QB.

 

[UAgrad93]

@uofarolltide , to piggy back off of what @TerryP said, you saw the play calling change not so much to fit the skillset of Bateman but more to keep the passes to a minimum and take the air out of the ball. If needed, Bateman would be running the entire offense.

As for being drawn and quartered, speak of such heresy again and find out!! :naughtydevil:

 

[russb8903]

When's the last time you saw a two-QB system have any type of success?

Probably David Green and D.J. Shockley.

But I hate the idea of two QB's as well.

 

[TerryP]

Probably David Green and D.J. Shockley.

Hrrmmm.

Same year as Randall and Russell "shared" some snaps at LSU.

Shockley did play in a lot of games xonsidering his class was right with Greene's. Greene's senior season was 2004 and Shockley's was 2005. If you look at 2004 ... and let's just take passing attempts for example ... you'll find that Shockley may have thrown 25% of the number of passes Greene did. I'd bet if you looked it up it's less than 25%.

 

[rueben]

I had a dream last night that Coker was the QB all year, until the Iron Bowl. Then Bateman came trotting out there and set up with a was a whole new offense. Guz called a T/O and went running up the officials raising hell and pointing at Bateman claiming that it was cheating because he couldn't game plan for a QB he had never seen before. Saban was pacing the sideline grinning like the Cheshire cat, and Kiffin was standing there with his arms down, and extended slightly outward with his "O" face going on.

 

[TerryP]

@rueben What did you eat last night? With dreams like that, perhaps I need to try a little!

 

[russb8903]

Hrrmmm.

Same year as Randall and Russell "shared" some snaps at LSU.

Shockley did play in a lot of games xonsidering his class was right with Greene's. Greene's senior season was 2004 and Shockley's was 2005. If you look at 2004 ... and let's just take passing attempts for example ... you'll find that Shockley may have thrown 25% of the number of passes Greene did. I'd bet if you looked it up it's less than 25%.

Probably so, I just remember that he would come in for at least 1 or 2 drives a game to see if a change of pace did anything.

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

If you watched the first half of the OSU/VT game monday night you saw VT "try" a 2 QB system. Brewer was running the conventional run/pass offense and then when Mosley(sp?) came in it was all run. It did not work. It rarely works except in specific instances, see Tebow short yardage above, and I sincerely doubt CNS/CLK are going to try and run 2 different offensive packages. What you saw Bateman do for the most part could have been done with Coker and just have him hand off most every play.

 

[rueben]

@rueben What did you eat last night? With dreams like that, perhaps I need to try a little!

Beef O' Brady's...don't judge me. My son loves going because he slays the "crane game" there, every time. He did have an off night and only scored twp stuffed animals after putting $2.00 in the machine.
Oh and I had the "steak bowl." I'm guessing it may be the combination of the Fat Tire draft while there, the Sailor Jerry / Vanilla Coke when I got home, and then the sinus meds before bed....but Im no doctor...

 

[JoshB]

Leak and Tebow had success.

 

[TerryP]

Leak and Tebow had success.

Before the Tebow-Leak comparison is played let's remember Tebow was used on short yardage situations: almost as a fullback playing the role of QB.

 

[UAgrad93]

Leak and Tebow had success.

Tebow was used primarily in short yardage packages or situations. He wasn't given the keys or the entire playbook.

 

[uofarolltide]

@uofarolltide , to piggy back off of what @TerryP said, you saw the play calling change not so much to fit the skillset of Bateman but more to keep the passes to a minimum and take the air out of the ball. If needed, Bateman would be running the entire offense.

As for being drawn and quartered, speak of such heresy again and find out!! :naughtydevil:

I disagree. They were doing more run plays, but they were read-option plays where Bateman was always either keeping it, or faking the keep and running a sweep. They were running Malzahn's Nick Marshall package with screen pass options. They weren't just doing traditional run and pass like with Coker

 

[UAgrad93]

@uofarolltide, go back and watch Henry and Drake's outside runs again. Same plays! How many times did Bateman run the ball on "Nick Marshall" plays? None! Those "Malzahn" runs take place between the tackles with the QB and is often run with the back as lead back. Bateman threw it 8 times, several with play action fakes putting him on the edge with a run pass option.
The plays Bateman ran weren't any different from those Coker ran. You can go back through the course of Saban's career and you will be hard pressed to find a game where he kept the throttle opened up on a team with a 21 point lead.

Let me add that 2 different schemes/ offenses would be damn near impossible to put in, teach, and practice properly and then expect success on Saturdays. When I was at UA, we ran a package of Wing T plays on goalline, other than that, it was business as usual.

 

[JoshB]

Interestingly fullback would be a position Tebow should be playing now... and he might actually make an NFL team...

Tebow was used primarily in short yardage packages or situations. He wasn't given the keys or the entire playbook.

Yeah it was a different playbook but I thought that was the point of a 2-QB system? Saban has said it himself it really can only work if you got two different style QBs (for example pocket passer and a scrambler/runner). They brought Tebow in to do his stupid jump pass and to pound the ball while Leak was running the spread pretty much.

 

[TerryP]

Interestingly fullback would be a position Tebow should be playing now... and he might actually make an NFL team...

Now that's funny ... but damn, so true!!

Yeah it was a different playbook but I thought that was the point of a 2-QB system? Saban has said it himself it really can only work if you got two different style QBs (for example pocket passer and a scrambler/runner). They brought Tebow in to do his stupid jump pass and to pound the ball while Leak was running the spread pretty much.

I guess it all depends on one's definition. I don't recall seeing Tebow anywhere between the 20's. He was a goal line guy as I recall. Sort of a "special package" more than a 2 QB system is how I've viewed it all along.