🏈 It's never a 'sure thing' with QBs in NFL Draft

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February 22, 2015

Cecil Hurt
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None of the most prolific authors could come close to keeping up with the narratives generated by the NFL Draft, especially when quarterbacks are involved.

The long gap between the end of the college season and the draft itself has been filled by an explosion of "draft analysts" who combine opinion with "inside information" at a pace that would exhaust a mere novel-a-year writer like Stephen King, although he could take some horror tips by reading Johnny Manziel draft capsules from a year ago.

This year, the main characters - as usual - don't come from Alabama. The Crimson Tide's stretch without a first-round quarterback will go to 39 years, all the way back to Richard Todd, an amazing if not unprecedented statistic. Nebraska, to cite another example, hasn't had a first-round quarterback since 1972. The protagonists are Marcus Mariota, generally viewed as "the good guy", and Jameis Winston, perceived as the "bad guy."

No one knows how either quarterback is going to turn out. If I were a general manager, either would cause some trepidation. That doesn't mean Winston is automatically the next Jamarcus Russell. It doesn't mean Mariota is the next Akili Smith.

A great deal will depend on circumstances, on which franchise selects them and what instant demands that franchise will put on them. There were enough red flags around Manziel to predict problems anywhere, but Cleveland might have been the worst possible destination. Will Tampa Bay or Nashville be any better?

If compelled to choose, I'd probably pick Winston based on potential upside. He is, without question, immature. He seems to know the right things to say, but not the right things to do, which is about as good a working definition of immaturity as you could find.

Winston is going to face a tough transition into an NFL locker room environment. But if he has someone to help him grow, and to quickly figure out he is no longer in the forgiving environs of Tallahassee (or, for that matter, Hueytown), then he has a chance.

Winston's combine workout Saturday confirmed he's no Cam Newton athletically, but he does have a good arm. It should also end the myth he was a "first-round baseball choice."

He's far, far from a Bo Jackson and his baseball future, if any, would be as a middle reliever. But that's beside the point in football. He just needs to settle down.

Mariota is a better "athlete," but I don't think that makes him a better quarterback. Will he be better than Robert Griffin III, for instance? There certainly isn't a guarantee.

Ultimately, there are almost never "sure things" coming out of college. Andrew Luck is the most recent exception, but it's hard to find that type of quarterback these days, when teams win without them. One of the great ironies of Ohio State's amazing quarterback shuffle this season is that it very likely had its best NFL prospect, Cardale Jones, on the third team going into last season. Ultimately, college teams can win with quarterbacks that aren't even considered as quarterbacks at the next level. You could immediately say Blake Sims or Nick Marshall, but Braxton Miller fits the bill just as well.

Alabama will keep looking, of course. Maybe that next No. 1 pick is already on campus, or in the next recruiting class. If not, there are other ways to keep on winning.

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Am I the only one that sees Jameis Winston as a major bust, worse that Robert Griffin III? The guy had a killer supporting cast aided by a great tight end in O'Leary, very tall Kelvin Benjamin, very fast and athletic Rashaad Greene, and a blossoming Dalvin Cook this year. Mark my words again, he'll be a bust. His release has always shown weakness in his ability in my eyes, like he cups the balls and has to uncoil it to throw.
 
Am I the only one that sees Jameis Winston as a major bust, worse that Robert Griffin III? The guy had a killer supporting cast aided by a great tight end in O'Leary, very tall Kelvin Benjamin, very fast and athletic Rashaad Greene, and a blossoming Dalvin Cook this year. Mark my words again, he'll be a bust. His release has always shown weakness in his ability in my eyes, like he cups the balls and has to uncoil it to throw.

What do you consider a bust? Number of games started/played based on where he's drafted?

+25% of the players drafted will never start.
+50% will be out of the league in 5 years of being drafted.
 
What do you consider a bust? Number of games started/played based on where he's drafted?

+25% of the players drafted will never start.
+50% will be out of the league in 5 years of being drafted.


Not producing at the rate of your pay. Not Ryan Leaf type stuff, but more Akeli Smith/Tim Couch type stuff. Get an opportunity and just not produce.
 
His release has always shown weakness in his ability in my eyes, like he cups the balls and has to uncoil it to throw.

Technically, they'd call that his "wind up' versus his release. I've seen that critiqued and also seen the same people talk about how he can have a pretty quick release.

There's a lot of little reasons that make him a little intriguing to me. Lineage, for lack of a better word this morning, tops the list. I wonder if he's the second coming of Jamarcus Russell. Both have/had off the field issues. More importantly, if we focus strictly on technique, both come from under the tutelage of the same quarterback coach.
 
I listened to some of his interviews yesterday. I wasn't sure if he was trying to convince me or himself that his past is in the past. I get that he's only 21...only time will tell.

It all depends on where he goes and the coaching staff around him. They'll help make him successful or not successful. I think coaching is often overlooked in the NFL as to the reason one QB is more successful than another QB.
 
The NFL Network threw up a chart yesterday of the teams in need of a QB. There were 7 teams listed, with the Jets and Bills at the top, with the Browns right behind! Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, and Johnny Manziel are the three most recent picks by those teams, all in the past 3 years! Whether you are recruiting a QB for college or drafting one to the pros, it shows that it is indeed a crap shoot.
 
I agree, NFL coaches are majorly overlooked. Simply look at what the Jets did with Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, and Geno Smith. Not saying those guys were world beaters, but they got shunned everywhere else because of the crappy Jets organization. The Raiders are another career killer organization. I would refuse to be drafted by both of those teams.
 
I listened to some of his interviews yesterday. I wasn't sure if he was trying to convince me or himself that his past is in the past. I get that he's only 21...only time will tell.

It all depends on where he goes and the coaching staff around him. They'll help make him successful or not successful. I think coaching is often overlooked in the NFL as to the reason one QB is more successful than another QB.

all that says to me is the he's a man (by legal standards ONLY) and needs to grow the eff up, man up and start acting like an adult instead of the "forever high school/college kid" he's trying to be; all the while trying to sell everyone on the fact that he's through all that crap and it's all in the past (on more than one occasion, i might add).

if i were an nfl owner or general manager, i wouldn't want that baggage on my team. they don't pay players to raise them and teach them right from wrong, that's their parents job. the owner's job is to pay them for playing.....period.
 
From Peter King's MMQB.

Really, this pick is a perfect storm in so many ways. The Bucs are entering their 40th season as an NFL team in 2015, and as Licht said, “This is the most important pick, potentially, in the history or the franchise.” Just how bad has it been at quarterback for the Bucs? In their 39 seasons, they’ve never had a quarterback last longer than five seasons as the team’s leading passer. Doug Williams, Vinny Testaverde and Trent Dilfer all lasted five years as the starter. Amazing to think the Bucs have never had a true, long-term franchise quarterback in four decades.
 
all that says to me is the he's a man (by legal standards ONLY) and needs to grow the eff up, man up and start acting like an adult instead of the "forever high school/college kid" he's trying to be; all the while trying to sell everyone on the fact that he's through all that crap and it's all in the past (on more than one occasion, i might add).

if i were an nfl owner or general manager, i wouldn't want that baggage on my team. they don't pay players to raise them and teach them right from wrong, that's their parents job. the owner's job is to pay them for playing.....period.


I had a close family friend fighting his ass off in the Korengal Valley (deadliest valley in Afghanistan) at 19, so 21 is well enough versed in the world to be classified as an adult. If 18 year olds are out there fighting for our safety and freedom, some asshole 21 year old that has been kissed all over his ass can own up to the fact he's not seven anymore.
 

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