🏈 Has your opinion changed, or remained the same, on the grad-transfer rule?

[TerryP]

If you're like me, you've probably been on both sides of this argument.

If you are, or were, still on the side that it shouldn't be allowed to happen it's an understandable feeling. After all, think about how you were introduced to the rule: Houston Nutt and Jeremy Masoli. If you've forgotten about Masoli, it was two arrests that led to his dismissal from Oregon. The first, second degree burglary when he and another player stole a laptop and ...

Wait. Is that the core of the reason? After all, Cam isn't a fan favorite around many parts and his problems at UF stemmed from being arrested for stealing a laptop.

On the other hand, we've seen guys like Russell Wilson move to another school (Wisconsin) and had a nice ending to his collegiate career.

Once again, there's an issue of style over substance. The NCAA wants to present this as furthering educational opportunities when statistics go to show one-third, or less, of these transfers actually leave their second school with a post-graduate degree.

A grad transfer helped Auburn to the 2010 title. Two grad transfers were very integral in Bama's latest NC this season.

Jake Coker and Richard Mullaney have demonstrated how a school can bring in players under this rule and the story ends on a good note. Newton, on the other hand, ... well, you won't find any Auburn fans complaining: understandably so.

It leaves me wondering about how you guys feel about the rule. We're sitting here looking at 10 years of results on what this rule has done to college sports. In the end, do you think it's still a good thing? Does it need to be revamped a bit?

(BTW, as a side note, the SEC instituting their rule about transfers having to have at least two years of eligibility was proposed by South Carolina. After seeing Spurrier's smart ass comments about Saban and the time he spends recruiting I have to wonder if this isn't just another situation where Spurrier was too lazy to do the work. In fact, I can see comparisons to UGA's rule proposal and change about head coaches evaluating players in the spring ... Richt, like Spurrier, didn't want to do the work.)

 

[EasyTider]

I thought CAM was a JC transfer?

 

[planomateo]

I'm fine with the grad transfer rules.

Put me in the camp that hates that kids are held to their commitments and coaches aren't. Michigan had a kid committed to Hoke for years, but now Harbaugh doesn't want him. So he's left looking for a new place to land.

I don't know all the stipulations on grad transfer rules, but perhaps something about them being in good standing would be useful. Safe to say the Masoli experiment wasn't a good one. Others have certainly been good for the SA and school.

A few QB's who had plenty of hype this season.

Everett Golson (arguably not a success based on how things ended)
Vernon Adams (Heisman hopeful at the beginning of the season, solid season but not what was expected)
Greyson Lambert (arguably failure)

I thought CAM was a JC transfer?

Yup, played at Blinn for fRan's son.

 

[bamachine]

I think Masoli was also a JC transfer or he had to sit a year. Neither him nor Scam are the same as Mullaney or Wilson. I have zero problems with Grad-transfers. If a player has gotten kicked out of a school, either for academics or legal issues, then they should have to spend at least two years at a JC or on the bench if they directly transfer(while losing a year of eligibility). Need to make it more severe consequences. Yes, I know that would have affected DJ Pettway.

Now if they are just transferring because of lack of PT or just a personal reason, same rules as currently for those type of transfers.

 

[TerryP]

I thought CAM was a JC transfer?

True. I'm not sure what I was thinking there ... stream of consciousness typing, ya know? I know I was thinking about transfers that helped a team reach a championship game but didn't think his career path through.

I did think about whether Cam has influenced peoples opinions on transfers due to where he went to school.

I think Masoli was also a JC transfer or he had to sit a year

He wasn't. Ole Miss filed an appeal, and won, for immediate eligibility because Oregon didn't have a Parks and Recreation Management degree.

 

[planomateo]

Hell, I was thinking the same thing about Chad Kelly, but remembered he played at EMCC.

 

[TheChief]

I'm fine with the grad transfer rules.

Put me in the camp that hates that kids are held to their commitments and coaches aren't. Michigan had a kid committed to Hoke for years, but now Harbaugh doesn't want him. So he's left looking for a new place to land.

I don't know all the stipulations on grad transfer rules, but perhaps something about them being in good standing would be useful. Safe to say the Masoli experiment wasn't a good one. Others have certainly been good for the SA and school.

A few QB's who had plenty of hype this season.

Everett Golson (arguably not a success based on how things ended)
Vernon Adams (Heisman hopeful at the beginning of the season, solid season but not what was expected)
Greyson Lambert (arguably failure)




Yup, played at Blinn for fRan's son.

Exactly!!! Like x 100.

What if coaches, when they decided to leave for another school, had to sit out a year?

 

[rick4bama]

Coker, Mullaney, Wilson didn't have to sit out a year, because of graduating from the other school, right?

 

[bamachine]

Coker, Mullaney, Wilson didn't have to sit out a year, because of graduating from the other school, right?

Correct and the school you transfer to has to offer a degree that the one you transfer from does not.

 

[bamachine]

Exactly!!! Like x 100.

What if coaches, when they decided to leave for another school, had to sit out a year?

They don't but they usually have to pay a large sum or rather the school they go to has to do so.

 

[rick4bama]

Correct and the school you transfer to has to offer a degree that the one you transfer from does not.

Thanks wasn't for sure about that. But reading the thread I saw about the Ole Siss transfer.

 

[OldPlayer]

I thought CAM was a JC transfer?

Forget it. He's rolling.

 

[Che Boludo]

I like the grad transfer rule, but wish it had zero restrictions.

I'm a fan of the "student athlete." The majority of top talent kids received admission with grades/scores that otherwise wouldn't have been accepted.

I'd like to reduce the rigidity in transfer rules but tie it to classroom performance in way.

If your HC, position coach, or coordinator leaves/is fired, for D1 transfers a student/recruit should be eligible to:

1. Transfer anywhere without penalty if it occurs before enrollment or during his first academic year of school assuming the player is in good academic standing.
2. Transfer anywhere and be immediately eligible if he has graduated or maintains a cumulative 3.8+ GPA after his first full academic year.
3. Transfer anywhere and be eligible starting the next football season with a cumulative 3.5 GPA after his first full academic year.
4. Transfer to any nonconference school or nonscheduled opponent for the duration of the players athletic eligibility and be eligible to start immediately the following season with a 3.0-3.5 GPA after his first full academic year.
5. Transfer to any nonconference school or nonscheduled opponent for the duration of the players athletic eligibility and be eligible to start after 6 games the following season with a 2.5 - 3.0 GPA after his first full academic year.
6. Transfer to any nonconference school and or nonscheduled opponent for the duration of the players athletic eligibility and be eligible to start after sitting out one full season of competition with a 2.0-2.5 GPA after his first full academic year.
7. Any student not in good academic standing and/or who arrested and convicted of any crime during his tenure at the school, must sit out a full athletic season and be subject to restrictions of location determined by the losing school.
Any athlete accused of a crime will be subject to the same restrictions until the result of the court case is resolved. Further, all transfers in these cases will have to fully qualify themselves under the gaining academic institutions requirements for all students regardless of athletic status.

I hear the coaches argument, but that is a profession and not a student-athletes situation. The athletic programs can protect themselves to a degree with contract restrictions/buyouts. The above is a first swag at what I think evens the playing field but helps keep focus on the student aspect of student-athlete.

 

[rammerjammer]

I'm with @planomateo on this. I certainly have no problem with the graduate transfer. Guy busts his hump to graduate early or on time and has eligibility, I think he can go wherever he chooses. I like that.

 

[UAgrad93]

I'm good with the grad transfer rule. As long as the student athlete has busted his ass and received his degree, he should be free to pursue a playing career elsewhere if he so chooses.

 

[TerryP]

@Che Boludo I admire your thought process here although I'm skeptical of its 'reality,' for lack of a better word.

It would seem to me for this to work we'd have to have a standard course load for each freshman. I know there are guidelines/rules set up for what a player has to pass to remain eligible as a frosh. I'd have to look them up to refresh my memory on how it works.

I'm skeptical, largely based on how the NCAA rules today on what's considered core classes for high school kids. It's a very convoluted system.

I'm changing the subject a bit here, but this article does touch on what a screwed up system it is today.

This NCAA Scholarship Rules Change Could Make A Lot of Student-Athletes Ineligible

 

[PurlJam]

True. I'm not sure what I was thinking there ... stream of consciousness typing, ya know? I know I was thinking about transfers that helped a team reach a championship game but didn't think his career path through.

I did think about whether Cam has influenced peoples opinions on transfers due to where he went to school.



He wasn't. Ole Miss filed an appeal, and won, for immediate eligibility because Oregon didn't have a Parks and Recreation Management degree.

Need I say the P&R management class at Ole Miss. was right in Masoli's wheelhouse.

I'm good with the grad transfer rule..... as Masoli would say..... "smoke'em if you got'em."

 

[Che Boludo]

@Che Boludo I admire your thought process here although I'm skeptical of its 'reality,' for lack of a better word.

It would seem to me for this to work we'd have to have a standard course load for each freshman. I know there are guidelines/rules set up for what a player has to pass to remain eligible as a frosh. I'd have to look them up to refresh my memory on how it works.

I'm skeptical, largely based on how the NCAA rules today on what's considered core classes for high school kids. It's a very convoluted system.

I'm changing the subject a bit here, but this article does touch on what a screwed up system it is today.

This NCAA Scholarship Rules Change Could Make A Lot of Student-Athletes Ineligible

I'm not certain that would be required. The NCAA already has coursework %, credit hour completion reqs, and GPA standards established for continued academic eligibility.

The specifics vary slightly per division, but D1 decentralizes GPA standards for graduation to the attended university's standard. Only additional requirements are that d1 student-athletes must achieve 90 percent of the institution’s minimum overall grade-point average necessary to graduate (for example, 1.8) by the beginning of year two, 95 percent of the minimum GPA (1.9) by year three and 100 percent (2.0) by year four.

I think it is "doable" as is and puts the onus on the athlete to perform in the classroom to be provided more options (freedom). However, I don't think it would ever come to be. Colleges don't want to lose control over their athletes.