🏈 Fire Jim Mcelwain. he proves once again he can't coach with a lead

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We saw it in the Texas game and it reared it's ugly head once again this time doing us in. The guy just lets off the gas and plays not to lose.

How do you only score 3 points in the second half of a game with the heisman winner, a vet qb and julio against a pathetic defensive secondary?

Don't expect him to go anywhere on his own anytime soon. very telling when you win a National Championship and still not in the running for any good head coaching jobs...
 
I'm not sure firing CJMc is necessarily the answer. We did put up the third most points in the SEC as I recall, though some of that was padded by SJS, Duke, and GaSt. We were scoring at will against Auburn in the first half and left at least 10 if not 14 points on the field due to turnovers which would have been enough to win. Also, remember that during 2009, our O-Line was so good that we physically beat up other teams and wore them down. By the end of the third quarter and into the fourth, they were crying for mercy and we could literally run the ball down their throats.

On the other hand, while we beat Penn St., and UF, we didn't do much in the second half. I think some of it is player maturity as well as coaching. When we get a lead - especially a big one - our guys coast. Ingram pretty much said as much. I am hopeful that alot of that is addressed with maturity and learning by being stung by it. Attitude and motivation is not something you can just turn on and off in a game. If a team comes out in the second half and coasts and Big Mo (momentum) shifts to the other side, it is often times too late to reverse it. Add to that the fact that our O-Line just wasn't as dominant this year... we weren't wearing other teams down. We weren't physically beating them up. This can also be said to some degree on the defensive side. The team in general just did not seem hungry to me.

As far as CJMc and this season is concerned, where I think we stumble is in four areas; we are not anticipating opposing team defensive adjustments coming out of halftime, we are playing conservative to avoid mistakes once we have a lead, we are not adequately assessing and then utilizing our talent in the most effective ways, and we have been running the same set of plays for three years now - the other teams get it.

- Coming out of half-time our coaches must do a better job of anticipating defensive adjustments and making our own offensive adjustments as well. We too often just stick with the same ole, same ole and other teams adjust and defend it better. This happened many times this year not just against Auburn. With a less effective O-Line, we should have been doing more misdirection, two back option sets, and other formations to gain an advantage.
- I've never been a fan of playing "not to lose." Invariably it allows the opposing team back in the game and Big Mo shifts. This is strictly a coaching attitude. We had Auburns defensive secondary figured out and we stopped beating on them in the second half. If Julio is hurt, throw to Marquis or - heck let some of the young guys get in there. And what happened to our TE all year? You're telling me none of those guys can catch at all? Which brings me to...
- Talent utilization effects the team in two ways: outright skill sets and game-specific performance. The O-Line is the perfect example. This year our O-Line was simply not as dominant. Apparently the loss of two seniors hurt more then we thought. Either way, it is up to the coaches to adjust accordingly. If we're playing alot of young guys, let them use their athleticism to make plays instead of holding them back trying to avoid mistakes. If a veteran with all the skill in the world is just flat OR WORSE is playing unmotivated then sit his a$$ on the bench for awhile and make him think about it; field the guys that have a fire in their bellies and want to play.
- Same ole, same ole. The swing pass to Julio still works occasionally but most teams expect it now. Mark or Trent in the wildcat doesn't really present an advantage because everyone expects and you end up with a useless player out wide. Everyone knows they are no threat to throw the ball. Why not put them both back there for an option play? Why not use a back that could either run or pass? Why not put Phillip Sims out wide - it would provide an option to swing to him and he can throw deep. Either way, while execution is paramount, you have to give your players their best chance to succeed and have an advantage. After three years and not changing up a thing, other SEC defenses pretty much have us figured out.

The thing that annoys me the most, however, is that this year we were supposed to really open things up on offense. Instead, we ran the same stuff - no wrinkles. What will next year bring?
 
We saw it in the Texas game and it reared it's ugly head once again this time doing us in. The guy just lets off the gas and plays not to lose.

How do you only score 3 points in the second half of a game with the heisman winner, a vet qb and julio against a pathetic defensive secondary?

Don't expect him to go anywhere on his own anytime soon. very telling when you win a National Championship and still not in the running for any good head coaching jobs...

Yea....maybe you are right....I mean the man is only 35-5 as the OC and has won a National Championship.....not to mention Saban kinda likes the guy. I will agree with the idea of getting conservative towards the end and making the necessary adjustments to counter the oppositions halftime adjustments. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
 
I'm not sure firing CJMc is necessarily the answer.

What will next year bring?

Agreed. Last time I checked, Saban was on the headphones and could veto or input. Saban is certainly involved and ultimately responsible for the game plan and the halftime adjustments. They certainly weren't motivated coming out of halftime. I think the team's problems have to do with discipline and conditioning leading up to the game. That falls on Saban to resolve.

Having said all of that, I wouldn't be surprised to see a dominant national championship team next season.
 
I think that maybe we altered our play calling to some degree anticipating some adjustments by the Barn. I still thought we should've thrown it to Julio. They still haven't covered him. I think the best he was covered Friday night was by the blankets he had on his bed when he went to sleep. I also think that we started playing to protect the lead, thinking that our defense would continue to play lights out. If we had at least sustained a few more drives in the 2nd half, the defense would've been a little fresher. They were gassed due to many failed drives.
 
Mcelwain didn't drop a pass on the goal line. Mcelwain did not fumble in the red zone. Mcelwain did not fumble and stand there 6 inches from the ball, while watching Fairley knock the ball out of Mcelroy's hand, crawl on all four's and recover the fumble. I do think, however, that Mcelwain's offense is geared around the defense playing very well and being able to hold a lead. I did think Mcelwain cost us the first two losses. This one, I'm not so sure. We frickin' quit in the second half, and their defense was better than people give them credit for.
 
Yea....maybe you are right....I mean the man is only 35-5 as the OC and has won a National Championship.....not to mention Saban kinda likes the guy. I will agree with the idea of getting conservative towards the end and making the necessary adjustments to counter the oppositions halftime adjustments. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
His favorite adjustment is to go with less formations and variations in the second half.

I don't know if he should be fired, but I do feel that he needs to learn about his faults. With a brick.
 
:lol: Well, the sky has fallen.

Coach Mac has been prone to go vanilla when we get on a lead... no matter who we play. The part that is frustrating is sitting on the lead is the last thing we should do when playing a national champion contender (see Texas & AU). However, I'm just not ready to fire the guy. The players have had their fair share of major mistakes that lost the games that had nothing to do w/ the called play. Let's just get all the facts please.
 
Major defensive breakdowns caused the losses to LSU and Auburn, and the inability to get a stop against SC put that game out of reach. why no outcry to fire Smart?

I agree the play calling on offense has been quite poor this year, at times just plain awful. However, the head coach is on the head set and can veto or say run the ball, etc. The head coach is involved in the offensive game plan leading up to the game as well. Firing McIlwain may not solve the problem. At times the defensive play calling has been quite bad too. I'd say keep the staff in tact if you can. If you want to make replacements, look at the offensive and defensive line responsibilities.

The bottom line is the team is not physical. They're not tough physically or mentally. They're not in good condition either. They're not hungry. They're not motivated. That all falls on Saban.

My guess is Saban has figured this out and will fix the problems going in to next season. I feel they will likely go undefeated or have 1 loss next season. At least they should with all of the talent they have coming back next year. Their defense should be the best or near the top. They will have a tough schedule again.
 
I agree the play calling on offense has been quite poor this year, at times just plain awful. However, the head coach is on the head set and can veto or say run the ball, etc. The head coach is involved in the offensive game plan leading up to the game as well. Firing McIlwain may not solve the problem. At times the defensive play calling has been quite bad too. I'd say keep the staff in tact if you can. If you want to make replacements, look at the offensive and defensive line responsibilities.

The bottom line is the team is not physical. They're not tough physically or mentally. They're not in good condition either. They're not hungry. They're not motivated. That all falls on Saban.

My guess is Saban has figured this out and will fix the problems going in to next season. I feel they will likely go undefeated or have 1 loss next season. At least they should with all of the talent they have coming back next year. Their defense should be the best or near the top. They will have a tough schedule again.

I tend to agree. Some of the things that happened this year will make the players much more coachable, the staff more intense.

Our 2008 and 2009 teams set a standard for toughness and physicality. The rest of the SEC has stepped up, and we took a step back because we played so many new players who had not learned what it takes. Hopefully this will be remedied. I don't think it is a physical conditioning issue so much as mental toughness.
 
I'm not sure firing CJMc is necessarily the answer. We did put up the third most points in the SEC as I recall, though some of that was padded by SJS, Duke, and GaSt. We were scoring at will against Auburn in the first half and left at least 10 if not 14 points on the field due to turnovers which would have been enough to win. Also, remember that during 2009, our O-Line was so good that we physically beat up other teams and wore them down. By the end of the third quarter and into the fourth, they were crying for mercy and we could literally run the ball down their throats.

On the other hand, while we beat Penn St., and UF, we didn't do much in the second half. I think some of it is player maturity as well as coaching. When we get a lead - especially a big one - our guys coast. Ingram pretty much said as much. I am hopeful that alot of that is addressed with maturity and learning by being stung by it. Attitude and motivation is not something you can just turn on and off in a game. If a team comes out in the second half and coasts and Big Mo (momentum) shifts to the other side, it is often times too late to reverse it. Add to that the fact that our O-Line just wasn't as dominant this year... we weren't wearing other teams down. We weren't physically beating them up. This can also be said to some degree on the defensive side. The team in general just did not seem hungry to me.

As far as CJMc and this season is concerned, where I think we stumble is in four areas; we are not anticipating opposing team defensive adjustments coming out of halftime, we are playing conservative to avoid mistakes once we have a lead, we are not adequately assessing and then utilizing our talent in the most effective ways, and we have been running the same set of plays for three years now - the other teams get it.

- Coming out of half-time our coaches must do a better job of anticipating defensive adjustments and making our own offensive adjustments as well. We too often just stick with the same ole, same ole and other teams adjust and defend it better. This happened many times this year not just against Auburn. With a less effective O-Line, we should have been doing more misdirection, two back option sets, and other formations to gain an advantage.
- I've never been a fan of playing "not to lose." Invariably it allows the opposing team back in the game and Big Mo shifts. This is strictly a coaching attitude. We had Auburns defensive secondary figured out and we stopped beating on them in the second half. If Julio is hurt, throw to Marquis or - heck let some of the young guys get in there. And what happened to our TE all year? You're telling me none of those guys can catch at all? Which brings me to...
- Talent utilization effects the team in two ways: outright skill sets and game-specific performance. The O-Line is the perfect example. This year our O-Line was simply not as dominant. Apparently the loss of two seniors hurt more then we thought. Either way, it is up to the coaches to adjust accordingly. If we're playing alot of young guys, let them use their athleticism to make plays instead of holding them back trying to avoid mistakes. If a veteran with all the skill in the world is just flat OR WORSE is playing unmotivated then sit his a$$ on the bench for awhile and make him think about it; field the guys that have a fire in their bellies and want to play.
- Same ole, same ole. The swing pass to Julio still works occasionally but most teams expect it now. Mark or Trent in the wildcat doesn't really present an advantage because everyone expects and you end up with a useless player out wide. Everyone knows they are no threat to throw the ball. Why not put them both back there for an option play? Why not use a back that could either run or pass? Why not put Phillip Sims out wide - it would provide an option to swing to him and he can throw deep. Either way, while execution is paramount, you have to give your players their best chance to succeed and have an advantage. After three years and not changing up a thing, other SEC defenses pretty much have us figured out.

The thing that annoys me the most, however, is that this year we were supposed to really open things up on offense. Instead, we ran the same stuff - no wrinkles. What will next year bring?

Bravo! :td:
 
Maybe we can get that guy who led his team to a National Title and is 23-3 over the last two seasons. You know the one who has only lost to the two teams competing for the championship of the best conference in country, as well as a ranked team on the road in one of the toughest place to win in the country. It would be hard beat that guy. What's his name?
 
Maybe we can get that guy who led his team to a National Title and is 23-3 over the last two seasons. You know the one who has only lost to the two teams competing for the championship of the best conference in country, as well as a ranked team on the road in one of the toughest place to win in the country. It would be hard beat that guy. What's his name?



sign him up!!! we are gonna get better as a team
 
McElwain was playing the hand he was dealt this year. The Bama offensive line wasn't as imposing as last year and with the injuries in your backfield, the backs weren't running with the same gusto as a year ago. Yes, playcalling was bland at times this year but no way in hell will Saban fire the guy, nor should he. Your backs were tentative as the season wore on, and were nicked up most of the year, your QB didn't threaten most defenses because he had zero confidence in his long ball and was under fire much of the season. None of this is McElwain's fault. He's a good coach and when the talent comes together again he'll make anyone that wants him ousted look ridiculous. He pulled out wrinkles Friday you guys would've never run before.

OCs are in a tough position now. You either take your foot off the gas and risk this kind of backlash or run the score up and look like Stoops/Old Spurrier/The Guy with the Weird Name at Wisconsin and the rest of the country will complain about that. If Saban didn't want Jim to take his foot off the gas he wouldn't have allowed it--end of story.

You guys have a good staff and a very young football team. No team can be unstoppable every year.
 
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