| NEWS ESPN analyst not sold on Tua Tagovailoa as Alabama's starting QB

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I have no idea which QB will be starter, nor do I care. Either one will be good and I think Saban has more than enough ability to pick to correct one...

Now, having said that... Why do people crown Tua the starter anyway? He played one "real" half of football and even that wasn't some sort of mind blowing half. His completion % wasn't off the charts... he threw an interception AND took a critical sack.

This is really, really off. Grad - He came in completely cold as the backup after not taking a snap with the game in doubt all season, against a great defense with a ton of momentum. Throw in the fact that Jalen had to be taking most of the practice reps, and the pressure of a National Championship game.... What he did under the circumstances was amazing. Plus he spread the ball around to like 7 different dudes in 1 half... All this combined with what we've seen with Jalen the last 4 appearances (counting A Day) is why I'm crowning him.

There's 2 sides to this sword. Defenses hadn't had a chance to figure out and scheme against HIS tendencies either. Especially not UGA's. The only game film they had of him from the season was when defenses had already mailed it in. He may as well have been getting reps on air during mop-up. What we saw in the NCG could very well be an anomaly.

Only time will tell. Give defenses time to figure out HIS tendencies and I guaran-damn-tee you we'll see some chinks in HIS armor.

That's fair.... But what tendencies are you imagine we'd see? Even if he shits the bed is it going to be worse than Jalen's?

The bottom line is that when a guy can spread the ball around like that, he's so much harder to prepare for. Because he's actually making some reads. And ultimately his ability to run is better than Jalen's ability to pass... So while he's not a running QB, he's extremely capable of getting yards and showed in the title game he can even put his head down and get tough yards. The biggest thing though is going to be his ability to anticipate... I think that's where Jalen detractors (including myself) don't see him ever being the guy again. Seems like a natural ability that is hard to vastly improve.

We've seen his mistakes and what forced them. Sure, he makes quick decisions but they're not always good ones.

If I were scheming him, depending on offensive formation, I'd disguise coverage and pressure with fire zone to start. And then I'd learn his cadence and make last-minute pre-snap checks to force him into bad throws.

We know he's a bit of a gunslinger, so I would scheme toward that.

 

[TUSKtimes]

We've seen his mistakes and what forced them. Sure, he makes quick decisions but they're not always good ones.

If I were scheming him, depending on offensive formation, I'd disguise coverage and pressure with fire zone to start. And then I'd learn his cadence and make last-minute pre-snap checks to force him into bad throws.

We know he's a bit of a gunslinger, so I would scheme toward that.

Tua's mistake in the NC was that he thought it was a passing play. Inexperience. The other blind moment was the Tennessee pick six. He didn't put enough loft on the ball and most know how he tends to throw BBs. Kinda what Tebow did in the 09 CCG when Arenas intercepted his pass in the end zone.

Read and react, it's that simple for Jalen. Nothing in between. Just read and let it go. If you can't do that you can't play QB. I don't mind that he doesn't process as fast as Tua. But Jalen won't process the field. Will not. Can not anticipate the break of the receivers. You have to read and react, whatever that looks like. And that's all Tua did on the 2nd and 26 play. He ran that play so much in practice, even was stated that was one of his favorite plays even back to high school, his muscle memory got him through it. Passing is instinctive.

Even if Jalen stays the starter it will be because they believe in Jalen's instinctive feet over Tua's arm. Then Locksley better dial that Kiffin spread back up. I didn't see that in the spring game.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

We've seen his mistakes and what forced them. Sure, he makes quick decisions but they're not always good ones.

If I were scheming him, depending on offensive formation, I'd disguise coverage and pressure with fire zone to start. And then I'd learn his cadence and make last-minute pre-snap checks to force him into bad throws.

We know he's a bit of a gunslinger, so I would scheme toward that.

Tua's mistake in the NC was that he thought it was a passing play. Inexperience. The other blind moment was the Tennessee pick six. He didn't put enough loft on the ball and most know how he tends to throw BBs. Kinda what Tebow did in the 09 CCG when Arenas intercepted his pass in the end zone.

Read and react, it's that simple for Jalen. Nothing in between. Just read and let it go. If you can't do that you can't play QB. I don't mind that he doesn't process as fast as Tua. But Jalen won't process the field. Will not. Can not anticipate the break of the receivers. You have to read and react, whatever that looks like. And that's all Tua did on the 2nd and 26 play. He ran that play so much in practice, even was stated that was one of his favorite plays even back to high school, his muscle memory got him through it. Passing is instinctive.

Even if Jalen stays the starter it will be because they believe in Jalen's instinctive feet over Tua's arm. Then Locksley better dial that Kiffin spread back up. I didn't see that in the spring game.

What do we EVER see in the spring game BUT plain old vanilla? Lol

 

[TUSKtimes]

What do we EVER see in the spring game BUT plain old vanilla? Lol

What does that have to do with what I just said? I would suggest the fact it was vanilla and it was still one read and run is telling. With a black Jersey on, why are you even trying to run? I think if Jalen had displayed Mac Jones command of the air attack during A-Day we would have a little different narrative.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Nick standing behind #2 in his 1st spring game......read your keys and stop running the ball
Nick standing behind #2 in his 3rd spring game....hell even the 3rd QB can move the team down the field

If you believe the light is going to all of a sudden come on for #2 then I have some oceanfront property in Vance I can get you cheap

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

#2 is maxed out as a QB at Alabama.

If #13 improves his game in all areas then he will be the Man. #2 is maxed out as a QB at Alabama. The question is about the progress (if any) of #13 going forward.

LOL. You really have no fucking clue.

I don't know if I'd go that far, SLO. Although, I will say this: Jason Campbell. How much improvement did we see from him in one off season? Enough to lead to a 1st round pick.

So it was all Jason and not the improvement of the talent/players around him......kind of like the talent/player around #2 for two full years?

I will go with Calvin Ridley's body language regarding #2's passing ability. #13 has football savvy as a QB and it is a natural thing for him and really anybody with a brain saw that in his 1st spring game at Bama. The kid has it. Nick and staff need to manage that and improve it going forward. I am hopeful he has the work ethic that #2 has/shows. We'll see.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

What do we EVER see in the spring game BUT plain old vanilla? Lol

What does that have to do with what I just said? I would suggest the fact it was vanilla and it was still one read and run is telling. With a black Jersey on, why are you even trying to run? I think if Jalen had displayed Mac Jones command of the air attack during A-Day we would have a little different narrative.

Jones was also throwing against the 2s and thereby pressured/sacked half the % of dropbacks as Jalen.

If anything, we should be more concerned with the 1st team OL. Can we not coax Pendry out of retirement with a lifetime supply of Red Man or something?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

What do we EVER see in the spring game BUT plain old vanilla? Lol

What does that have to do with what I just said? I would suggest the fact it was vanilla and it was still one read and run is telling. With a black Jersey on, why are you even trying to run? I think if Jalen had displayed Mac Jones command of the air attack during A-Day we would have a little different narrative.

Jones was also throwing against the 2s and thereby pressured/sacked half the % of dropbacks as Jalen.

If anything, we should be more concerned with the 1st team OL. Can we not coax Pendry out of retirement with a lifetime supply of Red Man or something?

Fletcher.....There's another old saying, Senator: Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

 

[JoshB]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

Or, it could be a lot more about that infamous expression in Apollo 13: "Houston, we have a problem."

 

[Tidestalker]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

I would have but more into hoops....

You can go back and research when I started asking for Tua to get snaps....

Glad Saban listened to the right guys and followed through anyway!

 

[JoshB]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

I would have but more into hoops....

You can go back and research when I started asking for Tua to get snaps.... Same time you were calling me and the other's childish names.

I also remember you hating during the NC game when Tua made mistakes.... But it turned out fine. Glad Saban listened to the right guys and followed through anyway!

I find it beyond hilarious that you would think that Saban would ever give what you had to say even a fart of a thought. I honestly cant wait for people like you pitch a fit when #2 walks onto the field in September. And yea I did "hate" when Tua made mistakes, kinda like you pretended the sky was falling if Jalen ever made a mistake...

The fact that you felt personally attacked by most post, which didn't quote nor tag anyone, says a lot.

 

[Tidestalker]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

I would have but more into hoops....

You can go back and research when I started asking for Tua to get snaps.... Same time you were calling me and the other's childish names.

I also remember you hating during the NC game when Tua made mistakes.... But it turned out fine. Glad Saban listened to the right guys and followed through anyway!

I find it beyond hilarious that you would think that Saban would ever give what you had to say even a fart of a thought. I honestly cant wait for people like you pitch a fit when #2 walks onto the field in September. And yea I did "hate" when Tua made mistakes, kinda like you pretended the sky was falling if Jalen ever made a mistake...

The fact that you felt personally attacked by most post, which didn't quote nor tag anyone, says a lot.

I find it beyond hilarious you think I'm serious about Saban listening to ANYONE. But not everyone has general understanding of humor.

FTR I fully expect Jalen to be on the field in September as well. Not sure what the score will be when he comes in but he will play.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

I would have but more into hoops....

You can go back and research when I started asking for Tua to get snaps.... Same time you were calling me and the other's childish names.

I also remember you hating during the NC game when Tua made mistakes.... But it turned out fine. Glad Saban listened to the right guys and followed through anyway!

I find it beyond hilarious that you would think that Saban would ever give what you had to say even a fart of a thought. I honestly cant wait for people like you pitch a fit when #2 walks onto the field in September. And yea I did "hate" when Tua made mistakes, kinda like you pretended the sky was falling if Jalen ever made a mistake...

The fact that you felt personally attacked by most post, which didn't quote nor tag anyone, says a lot.

"Artist formerly known as"...

Birdman?

 

[JoshB]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how all these QB gurus that have known Tua was the man since the minute he signed his LOI aren't out there making millions for all their vast wealth of QB knowledge.

I would have but more into hoops....

You can go back and research when I started asking for Tua to get snaps.... Same time you were calling me and the other's childish names.

I also remember you hating during the NC game when Tua made mistakes.... But it turned out fine. Glad Saban listened to the right guys and followed through anyway!

I find it beyond hilarious that you would think that Saban would ever give what you had to say even a fart of a thought. I honestly cant wait for people like you pitch a fit when #2 walks onto the field in September. And yea I did "hate" when Tua made mistakes, kinda like you pretended the sky was falling if Jalen ever made a mistake...

The fact that you felt personally attacked by most post, which didn't quote nor tag anyone, says a lot.

"Artist formerly known as"...

Birdman?

Don't know the young man.

 

[TerryP]

So it was all Jason and not the improvement of the talent/players around him......kind of like the talent/player around #2 for two full years?

The cast on the field was the same; Carnell, Ronnie, and Carlos were there the preceding year. The difference I've pointed to with Jason was the work he was able to do with Al Borges in the off-season.

If you recall, when Campbell was under Nall his TD:INT ration was a tad over 1:1. ( 10:8) The following season his TD doubled, INT's dropped--new OC under Borges.

No one expected Campbell to have the season he did. There was nothing found in what he'd done in spring camps or on the field the preceding year that would give any indication he'd have the season he did.

But, we saw it. Which goes back to the point some are making here--it's far too early to judge how he's progressing

 

[BamaFan334]

Well, he made the Elite 11 Finals...

Taulia Tagovailoa gets invited to The Opening Finals, chosen as one of the Elite 11 QBs

 

[TerryP]

But, we saw it. Which goes back to the point some are making here--it's far too early to judge how he's progressing

Just to be clear. I'm not saying I expect Jalen to get the nod. I'm not saying Jalen is doing as well as Tua in practice.

I know the staff wants him to stay. I know they want him to be a part of the game plan. I also know what the future holds (as long as its hand is broken again.)

 

[#80]

I think the players know which guy gives them the best chance to win. That's why the players rallied around him in the second half of the NCG.
The juice on the field in the second half was incredible not just the offensive the defensive fed off it as well. And I've never seen receivers so happy. Just say'n.