🏈 Directors Cup Standings

[Kozlowski]

We finsihed 30th overall and freaking 7th in SEC. :nopity:



Props to Mal and company on another fine year of outstanding athletics.:halo:



Yes, this is another bash Mal thread. Not only does he screw up but the teams his dept fields arent getting the job done either.

http://www.nacda.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/june29d1

 

[Kozlowski]

Mal backers where art thou? We finshed behind UF,LSU, UGA (way behind these 3) and UT, AUB, ARK (should we ever be behind Aub or Ark):wife:

 

[alagator]

The most troubling thing in all this is the following quote from Moore's comments in The Tuscaloosa News...

“We are pleased to once again finish among the nation’s top-30 programs in the Director’s Cup standings...”

Pleased to finish seventh in the SEC? PLEASED?

And the following additional quote is an insult...

“We are dedicated to excellence in all that we do at the University of Alabama and we will continue to do everything we can to move forward on all fronts.”

So the Athletic Department was 'dedicated to excellence' when it failed for AT LEAST three years to detect a scheme run by a bunch of 18-to-21 year old people to scam in excess of $100,000 in cost free textbooks for their friends (many of whom were scholarship athletes themselves)? Really now?

Finishing consistently in the bottom half of the SEC in the all-sports ranking is a 'dedication' to achieving 'excellence?' Really? That pitiful performance, despite having access to funds that rank in the top half in the SEC annually is a demonstration of you 'continuing' to do everything possible to 'move forward?'

Why, with that record of achievement and list of championships won under the esteemed care of such an excellent AD merits having the football and/or administration building named in his honor.

Hell, if the programs under Moore's care actually WON CHAMPIONSHIPS think of what we would have to do to ramp up the recognition given to him?

Oh, I forgot. Mal has raised a lot of money and overseen the construction of some pretty buildings and hire Saban (and Grant), so all is well. I do not know what is worse, Moore's bumbling or the apparent majority of our fans who accept and reward his bumbling and refuse to demand either actual performance or new blood.

 

[Alibamoone]

I expected you two guys to be on this. It's your MO.

I expected more from alagator.

So the Athletic Department was 'dedicated to excellence' when it failed for AT LEAST three years to detect a scheme run by a bunch of 18-to-21 year old people to scam in excess of $100,000 in cost free textbooks for their friends (many of whom were scholarship athletes themselves)? Really now?

You are just wrong, or decided to twist the truth.

 

[Kozlowski]

I expected you two guys to be on this. It's your MO.

I expected more from alagator.



You are just wrong, or decided to twist the truth.

Yet you cant refure any of the above? MAybe our MO is correct?

 

[alagator]

I expected you two guys to be on this. It's your MO.

I expected more from alagator.



You are just wrong, or decided to twist the truth.

Please tell me where either the facts or the interpretation of the quote you selected to comment on was wrong in either manner.

Did the scheme not last three years? Was it not devised by a group of young men and women in and barely out of their teens? Did the total benefits not exceed $100,000 over the three years? Were the majority of the textbooks that were obtained illegally and unethically not go to other student-athletes? Is it, in your opinion, a 'dedication to excellence' that both the person within the athletic department tasked to MONITOR the distribution process fail for AT LEAST three years to uncover something that over 200 student-athletes perpetrated in a knowing manner outside the rules? Is it a 'dedication to excellence' that an AD failed to periodically perform due diligence on his staff by questioning them on the performance of their duties?

I very comfortably argue that someone with nearly forty years in an oversight capacity of young people (either as an assistant coach or athletic department executive) that is outwitted by a group of 18-to-21 year old people is not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and/or was simply derelict in his duties at overseeing a staff (or guilty of hiring incompetent or unqualified people to work in his department).

There is more to running an athletic department that running around telling stories about an icon you happen to have known in a professional relationship, getting people to write a check, and leading the construction of a few buildings. Sometimes, the more mundane things like seeing that NCAA rules are being followed on a daily basis while under the threat of harsh sanctions as a multiple repeat offender hang over your head just might be even more important than adding roughly 9000 seats to a 90-something-thousand seat football stadium. Daily failing to establish a corporate culture of conduct that actually matches your empty and hollow public comments that (paraphrased) 'compliance is job 1 with us' and 'we are dedicated to excellence' when you allow for AT LEAST three years an easily detectable book scam to be performed by a bunch of youths and your in-conference all sports performance routinely finishes in the bottom half of the SEC despite a revenue stream very near the top of the league tells a great deal about the ability of our Athletic Director and his abilities to lead and achieve on-the-field results. You seemingly disagree.

These are the facts and opinions I have presented and formed? Where exactly are they either 'wrong' or 'twisted' to present an untruth? Surely you have some tangible examples that support your assertion discrediting my thoughts. Right? I really do look forward to you enumerating those tangible examples for my education.

 

[TerryP]

Did the scheme not last three years? Was it not devised by a group of young men and women in and barely out of their teens? Did the total benefits not exceed $100,000 over the three years? Were the majority of the textbooks that were obtained illegally and unethically not go to other student-athletes? Is it, in your opinion, a 'dedication to excellence' that both the person within the athletic department tasked to MONITOR the distribution process fail for AT LEAST three years to uncover something that over 200 student-athletes perpetrated in a knowing manner outside the rules? Is it a 'dedication to excellence' that an AD failed to periodically perform due diligence on his staff by questioning them on the performance of their duties?

I get what he was saying Tim. At least, I think I do.

...the distribution process fail for AT LEAST three years to uncover something that over 200 student-athletes perpetrated in a knowing manner outside the rules?

There one that jumps out at me. You are stating "over 200 perpetrated in a knowing manner" and that's not the case. 21 is the number of those that willing took advantage of the system.

You also assert they went to other student-athletes. Foundation for that statement?

You've also used "a bunch of 18-21 year olds to scam in excess of $100,000" when that isn't the case. You've got almost 180 kids here that were getting books because of what their professors had recommended and what the book store had packaged together.

That's hardly a scam on the athletes part. (The book store I could go with)

"Is it a 'dedication to excellence' that an AD failed to periodically perform due diligence on his staff by questioning them on the performance of their duties?"

Are you that big of a fan of micro-management or do you expect people to do their jobs according to their job descriptions?

In this specific case, that's Almond's job to check on Dever. Which, according to what has been released to the NCAA, he did not.

Again, we've been through this...

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I read both of your posts here but the three of us have had our discussions in the past. However, I did see those statements in your post that aren't congruent with the reports.

 

[Kozlowski]

MOst of these kids (if not all) knew what they were doing wasnt above board. As Ive stated, I participated in basically the same type scam back in the 90s (yes I called it a scam as I knew it wasnt right)

Those of us back in the 90s (and it was prob in the same 200 hundred range) profitted with cash returns!!!! (Id be wiling to bet that MANY of these athletes also got cash back/sold these books)




7th in the SEC in on field performance speaks volumes regardless of his misdeeds off the field. :nopity:


What is Moore actually held accountable for? Rasing money is the only thing it appears hes good at!
Make him special asst to the Pres in charge of fundraising!!!!!!(create the position) and get us a real AD