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Believe this or not. We were at the beginning of a couple of New Tides sites back in the early 2000's. The first one I join I won't say! But then we both join one that the owner was living in Jacksonville. Some of you may remember the guy. We did a lot of PMs and I told him I was deleting my account because I didn't like the way the site was headed. He told me to wait that he was just been asked the be a Mod on the site. The we have one that a kid starter,(he was 13 at the time.) and we all know how that ended. But again Pork kept me for deleting my account with that one too. I know he kept that one up and till some of you started this one.