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Sixpack

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Terry P or others...

I'm curious about your defensive alignment against 3, 4 and 5 wide sets. Who will come in to play nickel and dime packages?

It didn't seem like Florida spread out as much against you. By that I mean that WRs usually split out more in spread like you see with Texas Tech. Often they were aligned in spots you'd normally see TEs or other players. Did you normally have a lot more DBs playing? I also noticed Meyer uses a TE more this year, what do you anticpate for a 4 or 5 WR set?

Do you play more zone/man? When playing man what is your philosophy? How will you handle Utah's bigger recievers? I noticed your DBs are a little smaller, especially Arenas. Do you typically play cover 2/1 man? How will Utah's typical 4-5 wide change that?

I'm just curious to see how you think the chess match will play out.
 
Sixpack said:
How will you handle Utah's bigger recievers?

the size of your receivers won't be anything new. according to rivals, you have three guys listed over six feet.

Brown 6-4 215
Godfrey 6-3 197
Peel 6-1 191

the three UF receivers who caught TD passes were:

Nelson 6-5 215
Cooper 6-3 215
Murphy 6-3 205

ironically, two of Tebow's TD passes to these tall receivers were no more than a foot off the ground. and the other TD reception was probably 2 feet off the ground.
 
Sixpack said:
Terry P or others...

I'm curious about your defensive alignment against 3, 4 and 5 wide sets. Who will come in to play nickel and dime packages?

It didn't seem like Florida spread out as much against you. By that I mean that WRs usually split out more in spread like you see with Texas Tech. Often they were aligned in spots you'd normally see TEs or other players. Did you normally have a lot more DBs playing? I also noticed Meyer uses a TE more this year, what do you anticpate for a 4 or 5 WR set?

Do you play more zone/man? When playing man what is your philosophy? How will you handle Utah's bigger recievers? I noticed your DBs are a little smaller, especially Arenas. Do you typically play cover 2/1 man? How will Utah's typical 4-5 wide change that?

I'm just curious to see how you think the chess match will play out.

I doubt we'll go into a dime package that often. We may, but on most occasions we'll stick with our nickel package. (If we go to a dime look that 6th guy could be a linebacker coming in as well as another CB or Safety. I've seen all three on occasions.)

The set will look a lot like a 4-2-5 in that we'll have our JACK linebacker playing in a two point stance on the line.

As to the nickel back, we have a few that can fill that role but most of the time you are going to see the defensive backfield with the Safeties playing zone and the CB's in man. (Arenas, K. Jackson and M. Johnson) The secondary will be protecting the middle first and foremost, forcing the play to the outside and then underneath. Most teams have exploited the flat early on and we'll allow you to get some yards there when you are between the 20's.

Musso touched on the differences in the height issue. It's something we've faced more than once this year. It's not something that has given us any problems what-so-ever.

How they'll scheme against your offense is something I can only guess at to be honest. It's not fair to make a comparison between you and Florida and it not fair to make a comparison between you and Arkansas State (who also runs a spread a lot like yours as well but features more of a running threat at QB.)

If you choose to attack the flat, the adjustment will be make to more of a bump and run type coverage. If you were Texas Tech, I can guarantee you that would be the approach considering their offense is more of a timing passing attack than anything else.

That's just a cursory look, brief at best.

Any particular area you want to go into more detail about?
 
Just to add a note...figure you might be thinking about it.

I would not hold out hope that Freddie Brown is going to have the kind of game against our secondary that he's had over the last few weeks for your receiving corps.

The one position that has the most receptions in a game versus us this year is the RB position.

Most yards were by a receiver, and that was 88 with Georgia. Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for Brian Johnson. But, he's no Matthew Stafford and much of the credit for the 88 yards (AJ Green) were due to the ability Stafford has as a passing QB. There's a reason he's thought to be the #1 QB taken in the draft. The kid has a hell of a lot of talent.

I'll add this as well. The majority of those yards that Georgia had passing against us came from 3-4 wide sets, they came in the 3rd and 4th quarter where we were playing a lot of soft man and soft zone coverage. That said, on more than one occasion a few of those passes from Stafford were almost jaw dropping.

If you are looking for a key to beat Alabama, you can look at the Florida game and find it. It's having a QB and skill players that can convert a high percentage of 3rd down conversions. Florida was able to convert 75% of their 3rd downs in the 4th quarter. There's where the game was won...with that stat, in that quarter.

46% on the season for Utah is good. But, not quite enough to make a difference in this game...and it's a very safe statement you haven't played a defense like ours this year. The closest, in terms of scheme, you have faced is TCU. They were able to contain your rushing attack. (some might say allowing less than 50 yards rushing is shutting down your rushing attack)

Although, when you look at TCU they don't have near the size and strength as we do on the DL and where they use 3 safeties in the secondary they don't match up well with our defensive secondary in terms of speed...and that's just one aspect.

In fact, if I were going to point to one area in this game that will be a determining factor, it's going to be the 3rd down conversions stats for both teams.

If it's 3rd and 3-4 I don't see your Defensive line able to stop us from simply running the ball to gain that 1st. On the flip side, I don't see your offensive line being able to get that kind of push so you'll have to take it to the air. In that case, you'll see A LOT of press coverage on your receivers.
 
TerryP, let me first say that I have great respect for your observations of the game, and your general football knowledge. I am a much more inexperienced student of the game than you. I look forward to your preview of the game (especially your take on our (Utah's) defensive scheme). I hope that you will take the time to post your thoughts after the game is over. I think Gary Anderson and Kyle Whittingham are two of the top defensive schemers in the game and Utah will have some fresh looks for your offense on game day.
Intros aside, I think you are correct about a number of things in your posts above. As a Utah fan, this game scares me for two reasons. Utah has averaged more points per game than Alabama, but a lot of those points have come from defensive scoring (see Wyoming v. Utah). I do not think that Utah’s defense will get a lot of takeaways from your offense. I think they will be able to plug the holes enough to stop the run, and cover your receivers and TE enough to keep Alabama from running away with the game, but I do not see them causing fumbles. If Utah does get some takeaways it will by interceptions. However, JPW (as mediocre as he is) does not make many mistakes and I do not foresee him throwing more than one INT (if any).
Utah’s offensive if a wild card in my mind. I think you are right that a lot will depend on whether they will be able to get 3-4 yards when they need to have it. Utah has not been able to consistently get those 3-4 yards on 3rd down throughout the game, but when it has been absolutely necessary to convert, they have converted (see Oregon State and TCU final drive).
One final point (for now) I think the biggest difference in this game is between our 2nds and your 2nds. Utah does not have the luxury to rest their 1sts throughout the game like Alabama. I expect Alabama to be able to make some hay with that disparity in the second half. I think for Utah to have a chance, they need to go up by two scores early. I do not think that it is unreasonable to believe that Utah can do that if their offense is precise. This is going to be a very tough game for Utah, but I believe that they will keep it close.
 
You may be right but it is my opinion the the U DL are quick enough to get in the gaps and cause pile ups. With bodies in the way coffee and ingram will be slowed enough to keep them to 3 yards max on most plays.
 
washute said:
You may be right but it is my opinion the the U DL are quick enough to get in the gaps and cause pile ups. With bodies in the way coffee and ingram will be slowed enough to keep them to 3 yards max on most plays.

3 yards max on most plays? I am not so sure that the Utes have that kind of stopping power. They may get 3 yards on one hand off, 8 on the next, 5 on the next, break one for 11 or 12 on the next, etc. etc. That's the way it's been for SEC defenses all season long.
 
Ummm maybe I have a lack of respect, but I don't see Utah stopping the run against us hardly at all. Utah's DL is undersized compared to our OL which in turn makes for good running room.

I also don't believe unless Utah puts 3 guys on Julio that Utah's secondary stops Julio. Then you put in Maze, McCoy, etc.

When Utah is on offense I don't see them being able to stop our DL. Their OL is undersized compared to our DL which in turns spells trouble for Utah's running game and even their passing game.

Utah's recievers aren't any bigger than any of the recievers we've seen this year. And our safties and LBs are fast also and able to cover well.

Uath running the ball is going to be trouble for Utah also because of our DL and their undersized OL. Then you take into consideration our safeties and LBs are fast and can hit. All of our LBs are big enough to hit at the line and fast enough to cover the outside running lanes.

At the end of it I think we're too fast, too big, and too good for Utah to handle.

But, I do wish Utah luck.
 
I should have been clearer. Alabama will average more than 3 yards per carry. I think Utah can hold them to 3 yards when they can cause the pile-ups. Alabama will get 8 to 11 yard carries, the question will be how many.

Your Team is bigger but I think Utah can match your speed and strength (pound for pound)
 
washute said:
I should have been clearer. Alabama will average more than 3 yards per carry. I think Utah can hold them to 3 yards when they can cause the pile-ups. Alabama will get 8 to 11 yard carries, the question will be how many.

Your Team is bigger but I think Utah can match your speed and strength (pound for pound)

Sorry. Pound for pound only counts in hypothetical boxing matches. In football, our 335# All American outland award winning offensive tackle/road grader will be pushing his DL 10 yards down the field and depositing him next to where our 305# first team All-SEC center leaves his, along side 300# 2nd team All-SEC Guard Mike Johnson's assignment. Somewhere in the mash will be 260# Tight End Travis McCall with his block. 300# Marlon Davis and 300# Drew Davis are not chopped liver, either.

The fun is on the goal line when we put 365# Terrence Cody in as a blocking fullback.

There have been years in the past where I hoped we would break long runs and passes for TD's because we would stall inside the 5. While we have stalled occasionally inside the 20, I don't worry much inside the 5. I am just about to the point where I don't think we CAN be stopped first and goal inside the 5.

Also, describing John Parker Wilson as "mediocre as he is," is doing a disservice to the QB who has the most career passing yards of any QB playing in this game - and a better career TD to INT ratio...and is projected to be the higher draft pick. JPW is projected as a 4th rounder. Johnson is projected as a free agent. JPW has the ability to drop 350 yards passing on you if you sell out to stop the run.
 
Big_Fan, I have read most of your posts and I think that you are overly optimistic. You give Utah no chance to win this game--that is incorrect. I can't blame you for your optimism due to your crazy talent and awesome season. However, I respectfully believe that the game will much closer than your predictions. Utah will cover the spread and has a chance to win this game. I am so sure of that that I am willing to enter into a friendly wager. If Utah does not cover the spread (10.5) points you have to wear a Utah tie/shirt/hat (your choice) every day for a week. If they do not cover the spread I will have to wear an Alabama tie for a week (even if I do look funny in court).

PS - I was introduced to the Rammer Jammer this week and it is the coolest thing I have seen in college football. Of course, I may have a different opinion if I am on the receiving end of it come January 2nd. :)
 
washute said:
Big_Fan, I have read most of your posts and I think that you are overly optimistic. You give Utah no chance to win this game--that is incorrect. I can't blame you for your optimism due to your crazy talent and awesome season. However, I respectfully believe that the game will much closer than your predictions. Utah will cover the spread and has a chance to win this game. I am so sure of that that I am willing to enter into a friendly wager. If Utah does not cover the spread (10.5) points you have to wear a Utah tie/shirt/hat (your choice) every day for a week. If they do not cover the spread I will have to wear an Alabama tie for a week (even if I do look funny in court).

PS - I was introduced to the Rammer Jammer this week and it is the coolest thing I have seen in college football. Of course, I may have a different opinion if I am on the receiving end of it come January 2nd. :)

Optimism is irrelevant in my figuring. The only prediction I have made all season long where I threw out the actual results of my research was Florida, and I did a best case scenario because I did not want to pick against us.

There are few truths in an uncertain world, but here is one...Utah ain't Florida. ($1 to Lundquist)

My analysis comes from breaking down blocking assignments and grading out the lines...looking at your opponents and their opponents, putting a weight on scoring, point totals, defensive performances verses like competition, and intangibles + coaching.

Even when I play with the numbers, this game is one sided.

Hey, I could be wrong - I predicted us to handle Ole Miss and LSU much easier than we did...but the stark difference is in the trenches. Your defense is nowhere near the size of Ole Miss or LSU. Our OL vs your DL is a mismatch of the highest order. The difference in our OL and your DL, is like the match up of your OL against San Diego State. There is THAT big of a difference - in size and talent level.
 
washute said:
I just saw this http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11031603 the Rivals.com review is closer to the opinion I posted tonight. I see the big differences in the OL and DL, other than that I think it is close. Utah's offense is the wild card.


One of those three commentators has a football coaching resume'. He all but said Alabama would destroy Utah.

The others are trying to sell the game. As it stands, a lot of people will assume the blowout and watch reruns of The Brady Bunch.
 
washute said:
I think Gary Anderson and Kyle Whittingham are two of the top defensive schemers in the game and Utah will have some fresh looks for your offense on game day.

Intros aside, I think you are correct about a number of things in your posts above. As a Utah fan, this game scares me for two reasons. Utah has averaged more points per game than Alabama, but a lot of those points have come from defensive scoring (see Wyoming v. Utah). I do not think that Utah’s defense will get a lot of takeaways from your offense.

I think they will be able to plug the holes enough to stop the run, and cover your receivers and TE enough to keep Alabama from running away with the game, but I do not see them causing fumbles. If Utah does get some takeaways it will by interceptions. However, JPW (as mediocre as he is) does not make many mistakes and I do not foresee him throwing more than one INT (if any).

Utah’s offensive if a wild card in my mind. I think you are right that a lot will depend on whether they will be able to get 3-4 yards when they need to have it. Utah has not been able to consistently get those 3-4 yards on 3rd down throughout the game, but when it has been absolutely necessary to convert, they have converted (see Oregon State and TCU final drive).

One final point (for now) I think the biggest difference in this game is between our 2nds and your 2nds. Utah does not have the luxury to rest their 1sts throughout the game like Alabama. I expect Alabama to be able to make some hay with that disparity in the second half. I think for Utah to have a chance, they need to go up by two scores early. I do not think that it is unreasonable to believe that Utah can do that if their offense is precise. This is going to be a very tough game for Utah, but I believe that they will keep it close.

I don't see anything in that opinion I would consider to be outlandish. Some mirrors thoughts expressed nationally, other thoughts mirror ways teams can win playing against this years Tide team.

A few thoughts on what you've shared here.

"I think for Utah to have a chance, they need to go up by two scores early." &AND& "I think Gary Anderson and Kyle Whittingham are two of the top defensive schemers in the game and Utah will have some fresh looks for your offense on game day."

Those two statements go hand in hand in my opinion. I don't discount either one.

4 teams have been able to get up on Alabama early. Two came as a result of special teams mistakes (turnovers) two came as a result of scoring drives one of which was a huge defensive breakdown leading to a 68 yard run resulting in a 3-0 lead. The one constant of the scoring drives was their offensive lines were able to challenge on the line of scrimmage versus our defense. Enough of a challenge to where the defense was momentarily "on their heels."

On the flip side, everyone of those scoring drives were answered. Answered on the following series.

So, when I see the mention of going up by two scores I don't have anything to refute the possibility of it happening other than, "no one has been able to do that this year." UF had all the capability of any team in the NCAA of doing such a thing. But couldn't.

Can Utah? Sure. But it'll be a first and therein I doubt it happens.

Defenses that have had success against our offense haven't done it with "scheme" when it comes to stopping our running attack. No one has, but those that contained it for a period of time did so with their ability to line up head to head and control the line of scrimmage.

A defensive coaches scheme has come into play when defending the Tide on passing downs. Stunts have had their success at times. But, it hasn't stopped the passing game from having success when its had to as well.

X's and O's versus someone and Joe's...whatever the expression is...nice cliche', some truth to it but it never has defined an entire game.

"However, JPW (as mediocre as he is) does not make many mistakes and I do not foresee him throwing more than one INT (if any)"


I would caution you there. If you look at statistics and rankings around the NCAA it would be easy to assume he's mediocre based on those numbers.

Yet, here's a situation where the numbers simply don't tell the story.

Take completion percentage where he's running just under 60%. I tracked that figure for the first half of the season until I was convinced he wasn't going to make the same mistakes he did last year. (stopped the UT game where he closed out that game 11 for 11, right at 75-80% completed passes) On average, in the first 6 games, you could attribute 4 incompletions to 3rd down conversions where our receivers were covered and he threw the ball away.

His yards aren't that high this year. They haven't had to be. His TD's aren't that high. Again, they haven't had to be.

When the game, as in a series, has been put in JP's hands he's played "lights out." Georgia, UT, Clemson, to name a few, are games where he's completed 75+ % of his passes. When the game was on the line, in overtime, versus LSU JP won that game. Hardly mediocre play in those situations.

I'm getting the feeling that it is going to be a goal of Utah to try to make JP beat you. I can't say I blame you for that; makes perfect sense. The problem is...unless you can pressure him each and every down by flat out blitz after blitz you won't be able to put this all on him. IF you do decide to attack him in just that way...where's the run defense?

One final point (for now) I think the biggest difference in this game is between our 2nds and your 2nds. Utah does not have the luxury to rest their 1sts throughout the game like Alabama.

I am in whole-hearted agreement with you on the depth issue. Just taking one position, and I'll use the NT position in this case, our #2 guy Josh Chapman is a very good player. When Cody was out, we saw very little drop-off in defensive production. BUT, the thing is, we've got a couple of more guys we can put in after those two...and we will.

I don't understand your comments about your defensive lineman filling the gaps. That's going to be a responsibility of your linebackers...
 
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