🏈 All-Access: A Look at the New Football Facility via TIDETV

the comments are unsurprising really. admit it, the facilities border on the obscene. in bad economic times, can you expect people to rejoice at the flaunting of the state-corporate alliance? we all love our bama football, but anyone paying attention to the world around them must at least be ambivalent about stuff like this.
 
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the comments are unsurprising really. admit it, the facilities border on the obscene. in bad economic times, can you expect people to rejoice at the flaunting of the state-corporate alliance? we all love our bama football, but anyone paying attention to the world around them must at least be ambivalent about stuff like this.

Horse$hit. I am smack dab in the middle class and pay taxes through the damn nose but what those in charge of the University athletic programs have done has nothing to do with anything that I do personally. They are not taking from people via taxation and building these facilities. A lot of this is done by revenues they have generated with their sports programs, primarily football, and through private donations. So sick of the mentality that just because some people are "suffering" everyone else should suffer as well. I am willing to bet that there were a lot of local contractors, building suppliers, designers, etc. that also benefited from the upgrades at the University. Those people will spend their monies on goods and services and then everyone wins.
 
Horse$hit. I am smack dab in the middle class and pay taxes through the damn nose but what those in charge of the University athletic programs have done has nothing to do with anything that I do personally. They are not taking from people via taxation and building these facilities. A lot of this is done by revenues they have generated with their sports programs, primarily football, and through private donations. So sick of the mentality that just because some people are "suffering" everyone else should suffer as well. I am willing to bet that there were a lot of local contractors, building suppliers, designers, etc. that also benefited from the upgrades at the University. Those people will spend their monies on goods and services and then everyone wins.

bamafan4ever, allow me to introduce you to Fascism.

Fascism, this is bamafan4ever. He didn't recognize you. He was expecting swastikas and antisemitism, not his beloved Crimson & White and corporate logos.

Talk it out fellas.
 
the comments are unsurprising really. admit it, the facilities border on the obscene. in bad economic times, can you expect people to rejoice at the flaunting of the state-corporate alliance? we all love our bama football, but anyone paying attention to the world around them must at least be ambivalent about stuff like this.

Get this all the way the hell outta here. Alabama makes ass loads of money so they spend money to give our program the best facilities in the country. If they DIDN'T do that, people would whine about them not doing what other programs are doing. They do it and people whine about "facism", ridiculous. If the state aka us were paying for this sh*t you would have something worth crying over, THIS is not something you have any right to cry over. Its not your money.

Yadda yadda fascism...yadda yadda racism...whatever...

Who the hell said anything about racism?
 
Get this all the way the hell outta here. Alabama makes ass loads of money so they spend money to give our program the best facilities in the country. If they DIDN'T do that, people would whine about them not doing what other programs are doing. They do it and people whine about "facism", ridiculous.

yea, and i know of other instances in history where people demanded "bread and circuses" from their public officials at the expense of free enterprise. it never ends well.

If the state aka us were paying for this sh*t you would have something worth crying over, THIS is not something you have any right to cry over. Its not your money.

my point is that there is something sad about how we applaud a university's extravagant football facilities when the means of its acquisition has become a cancerous trend in this country and is what's killed the economy, accelerated wealth upward, and centralized power. we should all check ourselves when we criticize politicians for doing things in Washington that we celebrate at the state level. when money is made politically and the line between corporation and state is blurred, there are no winners.
 
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You are making no sense at all. You're equating a football program spending money on a football program (money that it makes itself as well as private donations) money in politics and state money. You make no sense. So we what put a limit on how much schools can spend on the football program? Or we put a limit on how much money WE as fans of Alabama can spend on Alabama? The school makes 30 million, it can only spend 5 million on better facilities, equipment, etc.? Fans can spend no more than $500 on Alabama a year (merchandise, tickets, etc.)? Wtf are you even saying?
 
fight fight fight fight....

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Things could be worse... I'm laughing hard.


  • Half time locker room, losing 6 mins walking to/from locker room, visitor gets a closer walk.
  • Amenities include "the air conditioner"
  • rest room access

[video=youtube;_yJSsAL2rE8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJSsAL2rE8#at=121[/video]
 
You are making no sense at all. You're equating a football program spending money on a football program (money that it makes itself as well as private donations) money in politics and state money. You make no sense.

I'm not equating anything. Instead, I'm comparing the arrangement between higher education and its burgeoning corporate partnerships to that which the "Good War" allegedly defeated: fascism. If it comforts you to use the euphemism "public-private partnership," then go ahead, but know that what we are talking about is the ubiquitous collusion between corporations and government institutions, resulting in the empowerment of both at the expense of society at large, primarily those not politically connected. Conservatives, like most people on this forum, well understand how incentives affect human behavior. When wealth is frequently found in business relationships with government entities, signals are sent out to all private actors to look towards government for profiteering or at least as a way to mitigate risk from an unpredictable and competitive marketplace. This begins a dangerous feedback loop whereby public officials become incentivized to extend favors for private gain. We as a country are well down this path and are seeing the consequences of a century-long takeover of government by corporate influence.

The viewer comments were noted by Terry. Well, when lots of people are struggling out there, it isn't surprising that the reflexive response to the flaunting of frivolous excess is less than positive. One doesn't have to be fluent in political philosophy or economics to come away from that video scratching your head when there is so much economic dislocation in the country. Your typical blue-collar, lowbrow fan is intuitive enough to think, "It is odd that there is a mannequin donning Nike athletics inside a public university facility. Hey Coach, how do huge walls covered in pictures of Nike equipment and details explaining Nike's product superiority contribute to 'player development'? How is it that so much money is going towards collegiate athletics when only a fraction of student-athletes will ever play professional sports and a college degree is nearly a worthless piece of paper?"

So we what put a limit on how much schools can spend on the football program? Or we put a limit on how much money WE as fans of Alabama can spend on Alabama? The school makes 30 million, it can only spend 5 million on better facilities, equipment, etc.? Fans can spend no more than $500 on Alabama a year (merchandise, tickets, etc.)? Wtf are you even saying?


These are great questions but complicated questions to answer, with few easy remedies. My suggestions first require an awareness of the legal cartelization of amateur athletics (NCAA) and professional sports (NFL, MLB, etc.), the corporate "rent-seeking" exploitation of these cartels (not unlike how corporations profit from other cartels such as the Federal Reserve System (2B2F banks), FDA (Big Pharma), EPA (Big Oil), etc., and taxpayer subsidization of college and professional sports. But further elaboration I'll save for any interested participants in the newest thread I started in the Political Forum, as I imagine the mods' patience for this thread's political direction is wearing thin.

I'll end my comments in this thread by simply saying that the issue here is the pervasive corporatism in higher education, and in the economy as a whole. The way that we, in one breath, criticize the corporate greed and political corruption we see in the news everyday, and then moments later, salivate at the government-corporate partnerships that happen to benefit our favorite state-government football team, I find to be contradictory and unable to cheer away given the state of the country.
 
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IHow is it that so much money is going towards collegiate athletics when only a fraction of student-athletes will ever play professional sports and a college degree is nearly a worthless piece of paper?"

Im seriously not going to even start to try and argue the rest of your ridiculous "having corporate sponsors in college football is the same as politicians getting money from corporations" because its just flat out the most asinine and ridiculous thing I've heard in a good long while. But how is that so much money is going towards collegiate athletics? Because college athletics (especially Alabama football) makes SO much money, how is this so hard for you to understand? Alabama made $82 million in 2011 (last year we have numbers for and you can bet last year was even more) so just stop. It sounds like you want to make this into a much bigger deal than it should be and have more of a problem with Nike being a sponsor than anything.
 
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