🏈 A quote from Javy...

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

"There was a time in rookie camp where they would have us go up and draw defenses on the board. Our base 'D' at Alabama was their complicated 'D'. It got to a point where everything out of my mouth was going to shock those guys. I would go up to the board and draw things and the coaches would be copying it down."

-Javier Arenas talking about reporting to camp as a rookie with the Chiefs.

 

[JoshB]

Which is why not every "great" player can play for our defense. It takes alot more than just talent.

 

[BamaCore]

Which is why not every "great" player can play for our defense. It takes alot more than just talent.

So true. It's why guys like Javy and Rolando excelled in Saban's defense.

 

[foshman]

"There was a time in rookie camp where they would have us go up and draw defenses on the board. Our base 'D' at Alabama was their complicated 'D'. It got to a point where everything out of my mouth was going to shock those guys. I would go up to the board and draw things and the coaches would be copying it down."

-Javier Arenas talking about reporting to camp as a rookie with the Chiefs.

I have to believe that this is, in part, Javy being Javy's biggest fan. The guy is prone to talk himself up.

With that said Saban runs an NFL style defensive system. Once installed there is going to be better continuity then NFL teams enjoy. Bill Walsh ran the exact same offense at Stanford that he ran at San Francisco, with a few additions. Last year Jimmy Ray ran an offense that is less complicated than most college offenses. It's not uncommon for NFL teams to simplify what they do or for some major college teams to run advanced systems.

If what Javy said is true I think it's more of an indictment on what the Chiefs do defensively than anything else. I have a hard time believing that NFL defensive coaching staffs need to learn anything that Saban or any other college coach does. Emmit Thomas and Romeo Crennell are on that staff, they know what they're doing.

NFL offenses are typically much more robust than college offenses and they attack defenses in different ways. NFL defenses therefore focus on taking different things away than college defenses. It's a chicken and egg situation. I have no doubts that Saban's defense at Alabama is essentially the same as his defense at Miami, with a few tweaks. I can even believe that it is more advanced than what the Chiefs run as their base defense - remember the Chiefs are a young team with only a second year head coach and a ton of young starters in their defensive personnel. I also doubt Javy had a head up on Eric Berry, another rookie.

Had Javy walked into a Patriots, Jets, Steelers, Chargers, Eagles, 49ers, Saints, Ravens, Raiders, Giants, Bears, or Packers training camp his head would have most likely been spinning.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I have to believe that this is, in part, Javy being Javy's biggest fan. The guy is prone to talk himself up.

Javy used to sit in class, borrow a laptop and during lectures, pull up youtube and watch his highlight videos. He was the man.

 

[foshman]

Javy used to sit in class, borrow a laptop and during lectures, pull up youtube and watch his highlight videos. He was the man.

He just borrowed the laptop then....

 

[planomateo]

javy decided against throwing it out a window

 

[srollins]

:lance:

Yeah, he's nothing. pfft

 

[JoshB]

javy decided against throwing it out a window

so that one coming... lol

and Fosh maybe u would have had an argument but u mentioned the Raiders. its pretty common knowledge Ro was making the calls for their 'D' after mini camps. and the Texans Coach said Kareem was starting so early because he already knew almost all of their coverages when he got there. at some point it stops being "the Chiefs 'D' just sucks".

 

[foshman]

so that one coming... lol

and Fosh maybe u would have had an argument but u mentioned the Raiders. its pretty common knowledge Ro was making the calls for their 'D' after mini camps. and the Texans Coach said Kareem was starting so early because he already knew almost all of their coverages when he got there. at some point it stops being "the Chiefs 'D' just sucks".

Am I to believe that your argument is that Alabama's defense is more complicated/advanced/intricate than NFL defenses? That's simply not true. It's laughable to pretend that it is. Close I'll give you, Javy teaching his position coaches defensive strategy? No chance.

I'm of the opinion that Javy exaggerated his knowledge of defense, that most teams use a small enough amount of coverages so learning them isn't typically an issue for rookie cornerbacks (not safeties,) and that Rolando McClain is the exception rather than the norm. The guy was an amazingly advanced student of the game. Scouts were impressed more with his ability to learn than they were his play, which was also pretty good. He was the second highest rated MLB to leave school in the last several years (behind Patrick Willis) according to many.

 

[JoshB]

Am I to believe that your argument is that Alabama's defense is more complicated/advanced/intricate than NFL defenses? That's simply not true. It's laughable to pretend that it is. Close I'll give you, Javy teaching his position coaches defensive strategy? No chance.

I'm of the opinion that Javy exaggerated his knowledge of defense, that most teams use a small enough amount of coverages so learning them isn't typically an issue for rookie cornerbacks (not safeties,) and that Rolando McClain is the exception rather than the norm. The guy was an amazingly advanced student of the game. Scouts were impressed more with his ability to learn than they were his play, which was also pretty good. He was the second highest rated MLB to leave school in the last several years (behind Patrick Willis) according to many.

Am I saying that? No not at all but what I am saying is that it is AS complicated as many NFL defenses.

Javy was prolly embellishing the story to get his point across I would imagine. For some reason u took what he said as he was sayin he was just so football smart that he was teaching the coaches. While I took it as he was expressing how complicated Bama's 'D' was and that he had a grasp on it so he could grasp anything.

 

[LBS]

Why is it hard to believe that a former Professional Head Coach can create and install a system that is more complicated than one created by a Professional Coordinator?

Equally, there is no reason that a player who is smart enough to be a College Graduate could not learn that system after running it for 4-5 years.

Time and talent are all that is needed, and both of those boxes have checks in them.

 

[foshman]

Am I saying that? No not at all but what I am saying is that it is AS complicated as many NFL defenses.

Javy was prolly embellishing the story to get his point across I would imagine. For some reason u took what he said as he was sayin he was just so football smart that he was teaching the coaches. While I took it as he was expressing how complicated Bama's 'D' was and that he had a grasp on it so he could grasp anything.

Javy is known for loving him so Javy....see Porters post earlier in the thread.

I have great respect for the defense that Saban runs. Let there be no question about that.

 

[foshman]

Why is it hard to believe that a former Professional Head Coach can create and install a system that is more complicated than one created by a Professional Coordinator?

Equally, there is no reason that a player who is smart enough to be a College Graduate could not learn that system after running it for 4-5 years.

Time and talent are all that is needed, and both of those boxes have checks in them.

I have no doubts that Saban's defensive knowledge is equal to that of most any NFL defensive coach. I have no doubts that on occasion an NFL style defense on a veteran college team approximates the training camp defense that a young NFL team has with a new coaching staff.

But by watching the SEC and the NFL I can tell you that what they do on Sundays is much more sophisticated than anything that happens on Saturdays.

 

[BamaCore]

I'm sorry, but it's highly known that Saban's defense is very very very very complicated. It has been repeated over and over again how it is just as complicated as an NFL defense. Javy being Javy is irrelevant when there are many other examples.

 

[foshman]

I'm sorry, but it's highly known that Saban's defense is very very very very complicated. It has been repeated over and over again how it is just as complicated as an NFL defense. Javy being Javy is irrelevant when there are many other examples.

If it's officially highly known, as in you can provide a link, I'd love to see it. The bottom line is Quarterbacks in the NFL can usually attack defenses in ways that they can't in college, with a few exceptions. In teh NFL teams have to compensate for that. They don't in college. COnversely NFL teams don't typically work on defending the zone read plays that colleges us so much of these days.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

Javy is known for loving him so Javy....see Porters post earlier in the thread.

I have great respect for the defense that Saban runs. Let there be no question about that.

I'm a gonna have to let there be a question about that.

I am not entirely sure that you have stated that Nick Saban is a defensive mastermind.

Once you proclaim that very real fact, and I can be assured that you aren't just another mealy mouthed, double talking 'ole auNeck, then we can proceed with a rational discussion as to whether defensive schemes in college can be as advanced as ones in 'da Pros.

 

[BamaCore]

If it's officially highly known, as in you can provide a link, I'd love to see it. The bottom line is Quarterbacks in the NFL can usually attack defenses in ways that they can't in college, with a few exceptions. In teh NFL teams have to compensate for that. They don't in college. COnversely NFL teams don't typically work on defending the zone read plays that colleges us so much of these days.

It is, and I don't believe the burden of proof is on me. You're the Auburn fan in your rival's forum running your mouth about how we're all wrong about our team. How about some proof from YOU other than vague generalizations of what you think most colleges run.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Folks, it is almost certainly an embellished quote... I posted it because I found it to be humorous. But LOL at how this thread has evolved... at least its gettting some traffic though!

 

[TerryP]

Folks, it is almost certainly an embellished quote... I posted it because I found it to be humorous. But LOL at how this thread has evolved... at least its gettting some traffic though!

No kidding.

I'm wondering this morning what it takes for some to understand there is a difference in "football fans" and "fans of football."