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[Guest]

1990: 7-5-0

Coach:Gene Stallings

W/L Date PF Opponent PA

L 09-08-1990 24 Southern Mississippi 27

L 09-15-1990 13 Florida 17

L 09-22-1990 16 Georgia 17

W 09-29-1990 59 Vanderbilt (TN) 28

W 10-06-1990 25 Louisiana-Lafayette 6

W 10-20-1990 9 Tennessee 6

L 10-27-1990 0 Penn St. 9

W 11-03-1990 22 Mississippi St. 0

W 11-10-1990 24 Louisiana St. 3

W 11-17-1990 45 Cincinnati (OH) 7

W 12-01-1990 16 Auburn (AL) 7

L 01-01-1991 7 Louisville (KY) 34


That is a pretty mediocre season with a team coming off of a 10 win season and a close Sugar Bowl loss to the National Champion Miami Hurricanes...a team loaded with talent and national championship potential. LSU, MSU, Auburn, and UT are all better now than they were in 1990...Tennessee is the only one that was arguably better then, but not by much...they were 9-2-2 in 1990.

It takes time. Stallings started 0-3, then got blown out in the bowl game. We will improve every season under Saban, until we are truly back...but it will take time. People can moan and groan all they want to about how long a cake takes to bake, but it does not make it bake any faster...but if people stomp and stamp too much, the cake will fall and they will have to start over again.

 

[rammajamma]

Man I miss Gene Stallings. One of the key differences I see between that year and this year is that fact that we improved as the season progressed. This season actually seemed like we got worse as the season progressed.

 

[Guest]

Why are we still talking about something that happened 17 years ago? ^^DH

I mean if they don't get by now then they will never get it period. Making a comparsion of what happened 17 years ago to today is like oranges to apples.

Why not compare 1925 to 1992 ?

 

[Dalton Tider]

The comparison that makes sense is that it was Stallings first year and the team improved as the season went on. I really thought that this would be the case with Saban. I thought that we would struggle at the beginning with a new coach and a new system. I thought we would see gradual improvement each week and would be heck to deal with in the last 4 games of the season. I am especially disappointed in the offense. I know we have the talent. According to Rivals we recruited the # 2 offensive line in 2006. I think our wide receivers are as good as anybody else. They have reeled in some errant passes this year either from inaccuracy or JPW under distress from lack of protection. I don't have the answers but I believe Nick Saban does and will get the job done.

 

[Guest]

Why are we still talking about something that happened 17 years ago? ^^DH

I mean if they don't get by now then they will never get it period. Making a comparsion of what happened 17 years ago to today is like oranges to apples.

Why not compare 1925 to 1992 ?

No different than talking about last night. The "past" is relative.


If we do not learn from the past...you know that analogy, and in this instance we should learn from it and be patient. Stallings did well in year two and won a NC in year 3.

The apples / oranges factor is that we were in MUCH better shape when Bebes took over in 1990, than we were when Saban took over.

 

[Guest]

The comparison that makes sense is that it was Stallings first year and the team improved as the season went on. I really thought that this would be the case with Saban. I thought that we would struggle at the beginning with a new coach and a new system. I thought we would see gradual improvement each week and would be heck to deal with in the last 4 games of the season. I am especially disappointed in the offense. I know we have the talent. According to Rivals we recruited the # 2 offensive line in 2006. I think our wide receivers are as good as anybody else. They have reeled in some errant passes this year either from inaccuracy or JPW under distress from lack of protection. I don't have the answers but I believe Nick Saban does and will get the job done.

The OL issue is one of the evidences of Shulas bad recruiting - or at least player development. None of the recruits Shula brought in for the OL are making any significant contributions except for Andre...though one (Motley) is playing on the DL now...another left the team because Saban was too mean.

Shula signed the #1 defensive back class a few years ago too...he signed 18 DB's in 4 years...but we have a true frosh starting. We have a walkon transfer from MTSU starting at LB and a converted wide receiver / defensive end starting at LB.

Shula's recruiting classes were ranked 4th-6th in the SEC, based on oversigning a bunch of players who would never get into school, and others that left soon after arriving. Think about that. If you take the Mike Fords and Ricks and Jennings etc.
Then you have players like Zo and Fanney who were signed twice so they impacted two class rankings...

Our composite recruiting ranking over the 4 years of Shula based upon who actually got into school and contributed, would be around 8th or 9th in the SEC, above Vandy, UK, and MSU. Ole Miss would probably be above us over the course of the Shula years.

 

[Dalton Tider]

The comparison that makes sense is that it was Stallings first year and the team improved as the season went on. I really thought that this would be the case with Saban. I thought that we would struggle at the beginning with a new coach and a new system. I thought we would see gradual improvement each week and would be heck to deal with in the last 4 games of the season. I am especially disappointed in the offense. I know we have the talent. According to Rivals we recruited the # 2 offensive line in 2006. I think our wide receivers are as good as anybody else. They have reeled in some errant passes this year either from inaccuracy or JPW under distress from lack of protection. I don't have the answers but I believe Nick Saban does and will get the job done.

The OL issue is one of the evidences of Shulas bad recruiting - or at least player development. None of the recruits Shula brought in for the OL are making any significant contributions except for Andre...though one (Motley) is playing on the DL now...another left the team because Saban was too mean.

Shula signed the #1 defensive back class a few years ago too...he signed 18 DB's in 4 years...but we have a true frosh starting. We have a walkon transfer from MTSU starting at LB and a converted wide receiver / defensive end starting at LB.

Shula's recruiting classes were ranked 4th-6th in the SEC, based on oversigning a bunch of players who would never get into school, and others that left soon after arriving. Think about that. If you take the Mike Fords and Ricks and Jennings etc.
Then you have players like Zo and Fanney who were signed twice so they impacted two class rankings...

Our composite recruiting ranking over the 4 years of Shula based upon who actually got into school and contributed, would be around 8th or 9th in the SEC, above Vandy, UK, and MSU. Ole Miss would probably be above us over the course of the Shula years.

I think most of the 2006 O-line is intact. Must be poor player development.

 

[Guest]

That was not a bad team. We beat Auburn, LSU, State, and Tennessee. When would that not be a rally solid year. We dropped three early in Bebe's first game,to a solid UGA team, and to Spurrier. Later came Penn State no less.

The take away form this example is not the record, but the record in relation to the previous year. The point being that a new coach more often than not means a drop off.

If this is the case, look at this year's record and last's and recognized that Saban has not had the first year let off that Stallings had, relative to the preceding year.

 

[Hightideiscoming]

1990: 7-5-0

Coach:Gene Stallings

W/L Date PF Opponent PA

L 09-08-1990 24 Southern Mississippi 27

L 09-15-1990 13 Florida 17

L 09-22-1990 16 Georgia 17

W 09-29-1990 59 Vanderbilt (TN) 28

W 10-06-1990 25 Louisiana-Lafayette 6

W 10-20-1990 9 Tennessee 6

L 10-27-1990 0 Penn St. 9

W 11-03-1990 22 Mississippi St. 0

W 11-10-1990 24 Louisiana St. 3

W 11-17-1990 45 Cincinnati (OH) 7

W 12-01-1990 16 Auburn (AL) 7

L 01-01-1991 7 Louisville (KY) 34


That is a pretty mediocre season with a team coming off of a 10 win season and a close Sugar Bowl loss to the National Champion Miami Hurricanes...a team loaded with talent and national championship potential. LSU, MSU, Auburn, and UT are all better now than they were in 1990...Tennessee is the only one that was arguably better then, but not by much...they were 9-2-2 in 1990.

It takes time. Stallings started 0-3, then got blown out in the bowl game. We will improve every season under Saban, until we are truly back...but it will take time. People can moan and groan all they want to about how long a cake takes to bake, but it does not make it bake any faster...but if people stomp and stamp too much, the cake will fall and they will have to start over again.

Not to be negative, but the circumstances of the Alabama program that Stallings came in to versus that which CNS came into are way different. Its practically apples and oranges.

That said, I totally agree, this is a process, it will take time.

 

[Guest]

1990: 7-5-0

Coach:Gene Stallings

W/L Date PF Opponent PA

L 09-08-1990 24 Southern Mississippi 27

L 09-15-1990 13 Florida 17

L 09-22-1990 16 Georgia 17

W 09-29-1990 59 Vanderbilt (TN) 28

W 10-06-1990 25 Louisiana-Lafayette 6

W 10-20-1990 9 Tennessee 6

L 10-27-1990 0 Penn St. 9

W 11-03-1990 22 Mississippi St. 0

W 11-10-1990 24 Louisiana St. 3

W 11-17-1990 45 Cincinnati (OH) 7

W 12-01-1990 16 Auburn (AL) 7

L 01-01-1991 7 Louisville (KY) 34


That is a pretty mediocre season with a team coming off of a 10 win season and a close Sugar Bowl loss to the National Champion Miami Hurricanes...a team loaded with talent and national championship potential. LSU, MSU, Auburn, and UT are all better now than they were in 1990...Tennessee is the only one that was arguably better then, but not by much...they were 9-2-2 in 1990.

It takes time. Stallings started 0-3, then got blown out in the bowl game. We will improve every season under Saban, until we are truly back...but it will take time. People can moan and groan all they want to about how long a cake takes to bake, but it does not make it bake any faster...but if people stomp and stamp too much, the cake will fall and they will have to start over again.

Not to be negative, but the circumstances of the Alabama program that Stallings came in to versus that which CNS came into are way different. Its practically apples and oranges.

That said, I totally agree, this is a process, it will take time.

I agree that it is apples and oranges. Stallings took over a MUCH better team and had only slightly better results.

 

[TerryP]

Interestingly enough, there were discipline problems under Curry like there are discipline problems Saban is dealing with right now.

However, how discipline problems were defined in Curry's years differs greatly on how they are defined this year. A sign of the times we live in? I believe so.

Kids born in the early to mid 70's are COMPLETELY different than those that were born in the late 80's and early 90's.

 

[Atlanta_Tider]

Kids born in the early to mid 70's are COMPLETELY different than those that were born in the late 80's and early 90's.

Best quote I have read in awhile! Such the truth.

 

[ExiledTidefan]

Yes, I am glad someone touched on the type of individuals that are at that age now, than ones at that age 15 years ago. These kids born today don't have enough humility. Some of them are talented beyond belief, but Coach Bryant won lots of games with lesser talented individuals, who were disciplined and wanted to win.

All I asked for out of this season was to improve as we went along. It kind of goes without saying that winning some games at the end of season that we might not have won at the beginning is expected. That's not what happened.

But I'm not ready to blame Coach Saban and his guys for that lack of improvement. I am ready to blame some of the seniors and others who laid it down after they lost to LSU. Of course, it's just a theory, but I just don't think these guys played with nearly as much intensity at the end of the season as they did the first 8-9 games. Burnout? Letdown after the LSU game? It matters not what they excuse is, because there really isn't one that can justify laying down against MSU, La Monroe, and some of them, against our hated rival, Auburn.

Oh well, here's to 2008!!

 

[Dalton Tider]

Yes, I am glad someone touched on the type of individuals that are at that age now, than ones at that age 15 years ago. These kids born today don't have enough humility. Some of them are talented beyond belief, but Coach Bryant won lots of games with lesser talented individuals, who were disciplined and wanted to win.

All I asked for out of this season was to improve as we went along. It kind of goes without saying that winning some games at the end of season that we might not have won at the beginning is expected. That's not what happened.

But I'm not ready to blame Coach Saban and his guys for that lack of improvement. I am ready to blame some of the seniors and others who laid it down after they lost to LSU. Of course, it's just a theory, but I just don't think these guys played with nearly as much intensity at the end of the season as they did the first 8-9 games. Burnout? Letdown after the LSU game? It matters not what they excuse is, because there really isn't one that can justify laying down against MSU, La Monroe, and some of them, against our hated rival, Auburn.

Oh well, here's to 2008!!

Well said. I agree that it is a bigger challenge to motivate players in our present time. Look at some of the acts that Mark Richt has done to motivate Georgia football players in an ideal situation. I feel like Croom had to purge MSU to get the right mind set to motivate his team. Croom has no talent but has done well motivating his team this year with 4 seniors but it took years. Nick Saban will purge Bama and get positive results. I expect the tide to start taking bigger steps forward with Nick Saban than anyone else.