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This is why the NCAA has to get a handle on the transfer issue. With the everybody gets a trophy generation......I think they need to clamp back down on the transfer eligibility. Kid graduates....let him transfer and play. I have no issue with that. I'm sure there will always be situation where a player has family issues and requests an exception to not sit out.....but I think that should be the exception to the rule and not the norm.
Tusk I disagree with you there. As much as I dislike Georgia, I have to admit that Jake Fromm has that special something we all want in leaders. I saw it watching that Netflix high school QB show a couple years back. He may not go on to win a Super Bowl. but he’ll get drafted. That will automatically put him in the top 2% of CFB players...
Being a game manager shouldn't keep anyone from being an NFL draft pick. Being an Alabama fan most of us should be aware that is often what our QBs were referred to. It's the modern-day moniker for teams operating out of a run-first offensive approach. Including AJ, who still is in the league.
As far as Fromm is concerned, I think he's been overhyped for what he's been able to accomplish, so far. I wouldn't put him in Aaron Murray's category at Georgia. I still think that was the most talented Georgia team we played in 2012.
Tidestalker
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That is pretty amazing... QB recruiting & planning has become pretty damn complicated
TerryP
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Retention belongs there as well.
We're in an unusual situation having watched what happened with the QB's in 2016, seeing how it worked itself out in 2018, but those have to be looked at under a different light compared the transfer rules today (eligibility.) It's a bit ironic seeing it at UGA when Kirby was watching it here at UA as an assistant. Of course, Saban wasn't promising Cooper playing time in 2016 either. ( Ha! Today, the depth chart is released. 2016's depth chart at QB read what...? Was it ||, ||, ||?)
BamaFan334
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Here we go with this BS again. So Aaron Murray who won ZERO postseason Championships is a better quarterback than Fromm who at least has an SEC Championship and Rose Bowl Playoff victory??? Your entire logic is postseason trophies, atleast a couple weeks ago it was, do you're cutting yourself off at the knees there.
And dare we go statistically yet again where Fromm is more efficient than Murray? Let's also not forget that Georgia's 2012 team was defensively their best team in years, so it wasn't the offense that pushed them to being as good as they were as much as their excellent defense. Offense was solid, but the defense drove that team.
No, I clearly used Jalen Hurt's freshman year and SEC POY as a comparison. And I said he's not Jalen Hurt's good. I also said he wasn't clutch. In the elite games, he hasn't been the difference-maker in the 4th quarter. Georgia lost 3 games last year, the last time that happened in Tuscaloosa was with G-Mac and the 2010 team. Not looked back on as our finest moments. Stats matter too as far as telling the overall story.
Just a statistical fact. Murray QBed all 4 years in Athens. He never had a season he threw for less than 3000 yards. Fromm hasn't had a year he's come near 3000 yards passing. And he played 15 games in 2017. In 2012 Murray threw for almost 4000 yards and some guy named Todd Gurley rushed for almost 1400 yards in 2012 as well. That would suggest they weren't all defense and why they are still my pick as the best overall Georgia team we've played so far.
BamaFan334
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Let me introduce you to a concept called per-cent-a-ges. Hell, I could throw for 3,000 yards in a season if you give 600 opportunities (exaggeration on Murray's attempts of course, but clearly shows more than Fromm, many more). Fromm has already completed more yards per attempt than Murray after only two years, albeit a small amount. Fromm was more efficient as a Freshman than Murray, and was more efficient as a Sophomore than Murray was as a Sophomore, Junior, or Senior. Fromm's QB rates were all higher than Murray's, minus Murray's Junior season. Fromm will be a Junior this season, so the verdict is still out on whether not he can fully eclipse Murray's efficiency over a career.
And so we're clear, you used AJ McCarron as your example, which I used statistics to blow that argument out of the water as well, because he was everything as good as AJ was. Let's not be dismissive either, because we all know AJ had some of the best college football teams ever at his disposal and defenses that just stiffed folks. You also said you would take Jacob Coker over Fromm, another point I used statistics to tell the story of, especially after you claimed Fromm was the beneficiary of a run first offense, muchlike Coker was with Henry that season.
See, statistics do tell the story, so it is very beneficial here. You just want to negate them when it hinders your thought process.
And the Hurts comparison, sure, Hurts came into the SEC Championship and saved our tails and was great as a Freshman. But where was he when Tua came in to save his? See, it goes hand in hand with all of that. I was/am a supporter of Hurts and felt like he had a bad rep with a lot of the Alabama faithful, until he bailed us out of course and mostly everyone did a complete 180. But when you compare Fromm and Hurts, both with the same Alabama teams using even Fromm's Georgia statistics, some ESPN or Wall Street algorithm statistic would probably show Fromm as the better solution.
I initially forgot to address the clutch situation. Let's remind you that Fromm came in and took over as a Freshman when Eason went down, and his first start was at Notre Dame, in which he won. He also took his team to the National Championship that season and lost in overtime to...Alabama. He took his team to a Natty as a Freshman and lost in overtime, every bit as clutch as what Hurts did. he also led his team as a Sophomore to an SEC Championship game that he lost in the last two minutes or so to...Alabama. See, he has put his team in position the last two years. He can't play defense or coach, and we both know those are what let him down against us, twice. He probably should have been Trevor Lawrence before Trevor Lawrence, being the first Freshman to lead his team to a Natty since, what, the late 80's?
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So your whole argument is because Fromm is completing his passes at a higher %? Not the fact that he's throwing the ball for around 2500 yards and the offense leaning heavily on a physical rushing attack with arguably the best OL in the country the last 2 seasons? Being efficient throwing the ball for extremely modest numbers should be a given. It's all the other stuff I've mentioned ad nauseam by now that folks keep waiting on. For which you have no answer whatsoever. Your bromance with Jake is getting serious.
BamaFan334
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Ok, for one, they haven't had the best offensive line the last two seasons. That simply has progressed to being there this season.
His efficiency is what makes a better quarterback than ANYTHING you have offered. Ever wonder why air raid quarterbacks rarely make it in the NFL?????????? A more efficient quarterback is one that gets paid in the NFL. By your logic you're saying Matt Ryan and Andrew Luck are better than Tom Brady because they threw for more yards.
You dropping down to calling it a bromance lets me know, once again, you're incapable of putting the facts together and building a more convincing story. The only thing ad nauseaum is your stance on the matter that has taken more shots than Bairute. You have been bested with the fact that I have shown he has been clutch, he has won games for his team, he has won in the post season, he has better statistics and similar numbers than guys you hold higher than him. I mean, for goodness sakes, you said you'd take Coker over him. You can't be taken as serious with any of this. Not to mention a handful of others have called you out on this as well, so not just me, scoop.
There's no logic in this. Am I to spend the rest of the day trying to compare these guys career? To what logical end? I'll be happy to tell you that Fromm doesn't have the arm talent of Matt Stafford or Aaron Murray or Tua Tagovailoa or Drew Lock and it's a hell of a long list in the SEC alone. Nor does he have the football savvy of Tim Tebow, AJ McCarron, Jake Coker, Cam Newton and so many more that actually got the job done.
BamaFan334
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Stafford won zero in college and the NFL. Aaron Murray won zero in college and didn't cut it in the NFL, Drew Lock won absolutely zero in college and we'll find out about the NFL, but he hasn't looked sharp I have heard.
Tim Tebow, love him, so zero argument there. Coker, love what he did for us, but please. Newton, like Hurts, did it more with his feet than arm which is why he won the Heisman. He can't get the job done in the NFL though. Mind you, Newton's arm is close to Fromm's efficiency as well if you truly wanted to compare since you throw Newton in the mix as well. He throws like a 2:1 touchdown to interception ratio, so not terrific. But hey, give me a guy that turns it over three times more than the other guy, right?
You can spend all year trying to compare their careers, but it will only prove what I have already told you, so there is no reason for you to keep wasting time looking like a fool and betting your side against the facts.
By the way, talent don't mean jack unless you know how to use it properly. How many talented guys have we seen never make it because they don't know how to utilize it, progress, take to coaching, or unable to translate to a higher level?
I said they had better-throwing arms than Fromm and they most certainly do. Stafford is making NFL QB franchise money. Drew Lock is getting his career started. I repeat all 3 have better-throwing arms.
Jake Coker, threw for over 3100 yards and completed 67% of his passes in his only season as a starter. He was clutch, even with your selective Georgia memory. Think TD pass on the Plains after breaking a tackle, rolling out and at full stride hit ArDarius Steward in the end zone. That was Jake Coker all season. A strong-armed guy who was more than willing and capable of running over LBers and breaking DL tackles in the toughest games and made defenses pay all the way to the NC. That is the ultimate definition of "clutch" in these here parts. But perhaps in Georgia, you grew up with a different yardstick?
Go ahead, it's your time now to once again discuss Fromm's throwing % or his never-ending potential. Around here that's just code for it hasn't happened.
BamaFan334
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So you're basing your position on how far or hard someone can throw now? Lord, don't even continue with the embarrassment you're causing yourself here. And I'm laughing my ass off over here, because you're comparing NFL guys to a guy that is about to start his Junior year of college and has statistically beat them all and taken his team further than they took theirs. And Stafford's franchise money from the Lions? Oh, they've never made bad decisions before, not that franchise. Stafford has had two of the best receivers ever to throw to, and in college had Moreno who had a career with Denver, and he has never been able to win with the talent he's had. But MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN, that arm.
The Auburn throw, in stride? He hit Stewart in the endzone as he was standing there and Stewart had to jump backwards to catch it. Cute Hollywood twist on it though. Coker had a Heisman winning running back behind him that season, so if you want to try and twist it that Coker was clutch and won us the Natty, then that's your faulty wiring. Stacking them up below, not that you'll pay attention. Two questions then I'll bury this...Do successful Fantasy Football owners go off statistics or personal preference? Do successful owners and GM's go off statistics for contract extensions or do they go off of personal feelings?
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Is your house located next to the Athens University? I see the phrase "clutch" is giving you trouble.
Sorry, do you want to talk about Hershal Walker's run to the NC instead? Let me run and get my book on ancient history.
BamaFan334
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I provided you with clutch situations. I can't help you're blind to words that blow your stance to pieces. Man, someone wet his pants and just can't get over it. Angry little elf.
So "rebuttal" is as confusing to you as "clutch?" Lot's of SEC fans get wins confused with why we had to build the Paul Bryant Museum. You should know better.
