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[Guest]

I've been away from the board this weekend, so forgive me if this has been posted. I was immediately concerned Saturday when, at the flip of the coin, it was revealed that Penn Wagers was officiating. I knew that we were in trouble. Throughout the game I watched LSU hold Bama jerseys, at one point almost ripping Cody's from his pads. But, holding wasn't called all night. That is until it mattered and John Parker Wilson had rumbled into the end zone for what looked like the game winning touchdown. Then, Wagers decided to call a ticky tack.

Can someone tell me, or is it possible, to look at how many Bama games he's done, how we have fared and whether there was controversy, and how we have fared against the spread? Is that researchable? I'd love to have these items for his ut games as well, because I'm pretty sure they were in his pocket as well.

Thanks for all. Roll Tide. What a great weekend!

 

[Guest]

So, does anyone know who threw the flag on this particular play? Was it Penn Wagers? Can anyone who taped the game or anyone on here who gets to watch game "film" ascertain if LSU was really holding as much as it seemed to me? It's hard to really tell just on TV.

Terry, can you help out on this?

Maybe this is telling me that maybe I'm just looking through crimson glasses, but it seemed to me that this was something that wasn't called all night and then when it hurt it was called. Do coaches have any say-so on who calls the championship game?

 

[imported_Porter]

So, does anyone know who threw the flag on this particular play? Was it Penn Wagers? Can anyone who taped the game or anyone on here who gets to watch game "film" ascertain if LSU was really holding as much as it seemed to me? It's hard to really tell just on TV.

Terry, can you help out on this?

Maybe this is telling me that maybe I'm just looking through crimson glasses, but it seemed to me that this was something that wasn't called all night and then when it hurt it was called. Do coaches have any say-so on who calls the championship game?

The umpire threw the flag on Andre, not Wagers. Like I said in the game thread Saturday, IMO, it was a legit call to make, as it WAS technically holding, but there were at least 15 other cases of similar (or worse) degrees of holding going on that were never called... and most of them were on running plays against a player that could have actually made the play, like Cody.

I'm not one who believes there is an officiating conspiracy against UA. That stats don't even come close to suggesting that, nor does common sense. I am the leader of the group though that as a whole the SEC crews are inept at worst, and woefully inconsistent at best. It is just one of those things good teams have to overcome.

 

[Swamptick]

Pen Wagers is a piece of auburn. I hope we never get his crew again. Total dork.

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure about a Penn Wagers conspiracy, but I will say that his crew's officiating is below par. That and Wagers has that same Tuberville smirk that I hate so much. lol

 

[Guest]

99% of all fans think ITS TEAM IS GETTING SCREWED BY THE REFS!



Porter and I are clearly in the minority here :roll:

 

[reger60]

Can anybody (other than Terry :wink: ) name an officiating crew that they actually "like"?

 

[Guest]

Steve Shaw.....we cant have him though :? That could also cloud my judgement :lol:

 

[Swamptick]

I just said he was a piece of garbage. There were allot of bad NO calls. Not to mention the ref putting his hands on JPW.

99.99 percent of the time in organized sports I think that the refs make the right call. Their calls against us were fair. I would just like to have seen them get LSU for some of their clear holds against us.

 

[rammajamma]

Do any of you remember the game when LSU's db pushed our receiver down in the endzone and they didn't call it?

 

[imported_Porter]

Can anybody (other than Terry :wink: ) name an officiating crew that they actually "like"?

Like Lenny said... Steve Shaw's crew. Which all joking aside, is the most respected crew in the SEC.

 

[imported_Porter]

Do any of you remember the game when LSU's db pushed our receiver down in the endzone and they didn't call it?

How could we forget it? I was at that game... and not to happy.

 

[rammajamma]

Do any of you remember the game when LSU's db pushed our receiver down in the endzone and they didn't call it?

How could we forget it? I was at that game... and not to happy.

Who was the officiating crew for that game? Was it Wagers? Wasn't he the genius in the last play of the game one hop Arkansas catch?

 

[imported_Porter]

Do any of you remember the game when LSU's db pushed our receiver down in the endzone and they didn't call it?

How could we forget it? I was at that game... and not to happy.

Who was the officiating crew for that game? Was it Wagers? Wasn't he the genius in the last play of the game one hop Arkansas catch?

He was the referee of the '04 LSU game crew.

 

[CrimsonPirate]

What about the no-call on the fair catch interference? Was that a legit no-call?

 

[SemperTide]

Isn't this what coach calls external factors, or things we cannot change?

 

[Guest]

Pen Wagers is a piece of auburn. I hope we never get his crew again. Total dork.

Oh you know we'll get him for the Iron Bowl... :evil:

 

[rammajamma]

Isn't there a rule where you can exempt yourself from one crew? I thought that after the one hop TD by Arkansas that Gene Stallings had that crew put on that list.

 

[Guest]

So, does anyone know who threw the flag on this particular play? Was it Penn Wagers? Can anyone who taped the game or anyone on here who gets to watch game "film" ascertain if LSU was really holding as much as it seemed to me? It's hard to really tell just on TV.

Terry, can you help out on this?

Maybe this is telling me that maybe I'm just looking through crimson glasses, but it seemed to me that this was something that wasn't called all night and then when it hurt it was called. Do coaches have any say-so on who calls the championship game?

The umpire threw the flag on Andre, not Wagers. Like I said in the game thread Saturday, IMO, it was a legit call to make, as it WAS technically holding, but there were at least 15 other cases of similar (or worse) degrees of holding going on that were never called... and most of them were on running plays against a player that could have actually made the play, like Cody.

I'm not one who believes there is an officiating conspiracy against UA. That stats don't even come close to suggesting that, nor does common sense. I am the leader of the group though that as a whole the SEC crews are inept at worst, and woefully inconsistent at best. It is just one of those things good teams have to overcome.

If the this is the case, then it was not holding. Its subjective, like the strike zone in baseball. Yeah holding and a strike have run book definitions, but what they are in virtually every game is defined in how it is called. As long as it is called consistently throughout the course of the game, few complaints are aired. It is DEVIATION from the established norm that cause the moaning and groaning.

 

[reger60]

^^DH