| FTBL Oklahoma Offers Analysis Of Champions

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Notre Dame, 12 NCs claimed, 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1953, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988. First three titles back-dated, 1953 illegitimate. Real total, 8 titles. Talk about winning one for the Gipper, they won three BEFORE the Gipper--and before national championships ever existed. One third of your titles bogus--pretty shabby.

Alabama, 12 NCs claimed, 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992. First 3 titles back-dated, 1934 and 1941 titles illegitimate. Real total, 7 titles. Bama is famous for throwing everything that sticks into the trophy cabinet. If you want a more detailed analysis of the Tide, read this.

USC, 10 NCs claimed, 1928, 1931, 1932, 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978, 2003, 2004. First 3 titles back-dated, all the rest legitimate. Real total, 7 titles. Not bad, other than the back-dated ones. Let's see: 60s and 70s, got that covered; 21st century--check. Hey, what happened to the 80s and 90s???

Michigan, 7 NCs claimed, 1901, 1902, 1923, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997. First 4 titles back-dated, the rest legitimate. Real total, 3 titles. Oh, snap! Don't worry, Go Blue. Batting .429 in the major leagues earns you bazillions a year...

Oklahoma, 7 NCs claimed, 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000. All legitimate! Real total, 7 titles. The first perfectly honest team. Naturally, OU owes Texas for all this glory--not!

Minnesota, 6 NCs claimed, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960 All legit! Real total, 6 titles. But what are you guys thinking about doing for the next half of the 20th century???

Pittsburgh, 6 NCs claimed, 1910, 1916, 1918, 1936, 1937, 1976. First 3 titles back-dated, 1936 illegitimate, other 2 fine. Real total, 2 titles. Only 33% of your claimed titles for real? We haven't seen this kind of illegitimacy outside of the Mugabe administration...

Miami, 5 NCs claimed, 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001. All legit. Real total, 5 titles. Still can't figure out how you got the nod in 1983 over a far superior Auburn team...

Nebraska, 5 NCs claimed, 1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997. All legit. Real total, 5 titles. Solid! Can't figure out why they can't duplicate this kind of success in the other corn-growing states...

Ohio State, 5 NCs claimed, 1942, 1954, 1957, 1968, 2002. All legit. Real total, 5 titles. Best in the Big 10(11). Best ever: Woody or The Vest?

Army, 4 NCs claimed, 1914, 1944, 1945, 1946. First is back-dated, the rest legit. Real total, 3 titles. Gee, if we could only have another World War to drain the nation's manpower again...

GA Tech, 4 NCs claimed, 1917, 1928, 1952, 1990. First 2 titles back-dated. 1952 illegitimate. 1990 legit. Real total, 1 title. "I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a helluva embellisher..."

Illinois, 4 NCs claimed, 1914, 1919, 1923, 1927. All back-dated! Oh come on! Are you kidding me? Real total, ZIP!!! However, as luck would have it, the Zook era has arrived.

Tennessee, 4 NCs claimed, 1938, 1950, 1951, 1998. 1938 and 1950 illegitimate, the rest legit. Real total, 2 titles. The SEC's historic 2nd best team follows the SEC's historic best team, Alabama--in title embellishment.

Texas, 4 NCs claimed, 1963, 1969, 1970, 2005, all legit! Real total, 4 titles. Thanks Daryl Royal. Still wondering why they're so woefully behind Oklahoma in this category...

California, 3 NCs claimed, 1920, 1921, 1922. All back-dated! What?? Real total, ZERO titles. See admonishment to Illinois...

Michigan State, 3 NCs claimed, 1952, 1965, 1966. 1966 is illegitimate, although you probably got hosed! Real total, 2 titles. Not bad--only one behind your Ann Arbor cousins...

There you have it. Now let me have it. WEA will now take your stinging rebukes:

I contemplate to myself and wonder why OU and its fanbase worry about other teams and theis history?

 

[TerryP]

B/C other schools have more.

That's the only reason any school brings this conversation up...

 

[ExiledTidefan]

And where is LSU in that list? Not only do they claim 3, all legit, but two have occurred in the past 5 years. Let me add that those were all Nick Saban's players. :lol:

 

[Guest]

First of all, individuals such as this completely disregard any championships before the advent of the AP.

What in the hell does the AP have to do with a college football team being champions or being the best in the country?

That is a question that anyone I have posed it to has yet to answer satisfactorily.

Backdated? Backdated how? Backdated in the sense that many polls did not exist in '25 and '26? Sure that makes sense, they would have to be backdated.

But backdated as a way of insinuating that 'Bama's '25, '26, '30 and '34 teams were not widely acknowledged among the football going public at that time as being the best in the country is false.

They were considered the best. They were champions. They were Rose Bowl victors and they did shock the nation and turn college football on it's head and shook the foundations to the ground.

Were they AP NC's? No. It didn't exist at the time. If it had existed, 'Bama would have won hands down.

At that time there was no such term as National Champions. They were simply called champions, or the best, or victors. I suppose you could have called Alabama's teams back then the RBC's. (The Rose Bowl Champions)

To only acknowledge NC's from the advent of the AP is seriously doing a disservice to the many thousands upon thousands of young men who played football for decades and decades, before the year 1936, when the AP was finally solidified.

I get so sick of reading these blowhard's opinions

 

[Guest]

We will start with '25 and '26. Many, many, many teams claim NC's from this time period and Alabama doing it is nothing unusual, nothing out of the ordinary at all.

1.) 1925. The facts in the case for 1925 is that Alabama, at the time, was widely considered to be the champions of college football during that year to all the football going public alive at that time. If you were a football fan and followed football, the University of Alabama was the team to be envied this particular year.

'Bama (10-0) traveled out to sunny LA for their first of many Rose Bowls. They defeated a 10-0 Washington team.

Dartmouth, the team that was even halfway in the picture, was 8-0, didn't play a bowl game, and played 4 non-1a teams out of 8 opponents.


'Bama, if there was no such thing as a NC at that time, was certainly the best team in the country. Deal with it. This is the game that made 8,000 Northern sportswriters and West Coast fans commit suicide, lol. Bama(10-0)



2.) 1926. This one is really easy. People were not stupid back in those days. They had just as much sense as modern day folk. They knew champions when they saw them. Let me lay it out for 'ya:

Stanford was 10-0-1 after the TIE in the Rose Bowl with 'Bama. Alabama was 9-0-1 after the TIE with Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Pretty close, right?

Wrong.

Stanford played 6 of what are now considered non-1A opponents out of a total of 10 reg. season games. How many non-1-A opponents did 'Bama face? One, yes, just one.

Bama was once again the best team in the land and the people who were not walking morons at that time knew that and understood it. You walk up to the regular Joe on any street corner in America and ask him who the best team in college football was that year and the answer would be Alabama.

Therefore, Alabama was what we call in our time National Champions 2 years in a row.


3.) 1930 Another clear cut NC for 'Bama. 'Bama went 9-0 reg. season and then ventured out to sunny LA again, they got tired of seeing us, and stomped a hole clean through the chest cavities of a very strong 9-0, at the time, Washington State team. The final score = Champions 24, Wash. State 0.

Ouch, that one hurt the pride of lot's of folks out on the West Coast.

What did Notre Dame do? They went undefeated at 10-0 just like 'Bama but they stayed at home and said "no mas, no mas" we don't wants to play no bowl game.

Advantage = 'Bama. Number 3 baby, number 3 on our way to greatness. (Bama 10-0)



4.) 1934. A very strong Alabama team this year. Gritty and determined.

In 1934, Alabama surged through a regular season destruction, utter destruction of all opponents, and finished it all off with a face shattering pummeling of a very strong Stanford team whose record, at the time, stood at 9-0-1.

We shamed them and once again made everyone curse those stupid Southern boys who keep bursting apart stupid ideas about football supremacy on the West Coast.

The score was 29-13 in favor of who? That's right, 'Bama.

3 time Rose Bowl Champ-Ions by this time. You can't stop a team that drops 316 points on the bald heads of their opponents and lets them only score 46. You just can't stop that type of juggernaut.

What did any team that was even close do? Minnesota went 8-0 and beat a bunch of 4 win teams and naturally, didn't play in a bowl game, no sir, not their style.

Chalk another one up for what very well may be the greatest football team to ever strap on helmets, the Alabama Crimson Tide. (Bama 10-0)

 

[Guest]

The writer mentioned that Michigan State got hosed in 1966, but this was certainly nothing like the hose job that the undefeated and two time defending national champion tide received. You could also make a very strong case that we were the best team in 1975 and 1977.

 

[UAgrad93]

True Psycho. The Tide got bent over and hosed without as much a kiss on the cheek. When people are jealous they look for something to gripe about.

 

[Guest]

i have this argument all the time with my oklahoma friend. i don't care we have 12 nc in my opinion and we should have 13 ( you all know which one we got hosed on '66)