| FTBL John Parker Wilson Failed

[Guest]

He didn't open up running lanes at all. Mark Ingram, many times, just ran into a wall of defenders and there was not a square inch to squeeze through.

Wilson failed to provide any relief to his receivers when they were smothered all night long. A good QB will help out his receivers and ask the opposing teams defenders to please not stick to them so tight, to let his receivers have a breath of air every now and then. Did he ask Tulane to lay off a bit? No, he did not. He was scared to talk to them.

Did he run alongside the tight ends and help give them some protection and then run back behind the line of scrimmage and then make his pass? No, he didn't even act like he wanted to attempt this last night. That is what laziness will do for you.

The only thing that he really got right last night was getting hit when he was supposed to, he did that really well.

Did he quick release his passes not less than one half of a second after it was snapped to him to avoid the Tulane D linemen that were in 'Bama's backfield more than 'Bama running backs were? Nope. Again, he failed at this also.

I think we need a new quarterback, one that can play football a little better. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Guest]

Not that I disagree with you entirely, but part of Tulane's success where Clemson failed, was their decision to pressure JPW. He folded under pressure - just without making the turnovers like '07. There were numerous times that someone was open downfield and JPW overthrew them or missed them entirely.

On the other hand, Tulane's QB was making completions with Alabama defenders in his face. We had someone in his face all night, but he stayed rock steady.

I agree that Wilson was not the only issue, but Wilson's ineffectiveness created the situation whereby Tulane could stack the running lanes. They were daring him to beat them and he couldn't.

I have been a staunch Wilson defender, but he was outplayed by a Sophomore in a green jersey last night. If we had traded QB's with Clemson, we would have blown them out.

Even Wilson admits that he had a bad game.

 

[bamanaf]

Ok so maybe he Failed last night and we stamp an F on his statsbook but dont forget the A+ last week.

Gives him a C+ average this year. You dont fail someone over a C after the 2nd game, you're being far to hard on our man at this point. :?



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[Guest]

Ok so maybe he Failed last night and we stamp an F on his statsbook but dont forget the A+ last week.

Gives him a C+ average this year. You dont fail someone over a C after the 2nd game, you're being far to hard on our man at this point. :?



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I am not being too hard on him. He is a senior SEC QB with 3 years of starting experience. I really don't think it is too much to ask of him to be able to complete a pass under pressure, or go to a hot when there is someone coming unblocked.

Coddle a frosh.

The reality is, if he could have thrown zero picks, Star would have done a better job for us last night because of his legs. I am not advocating a QB change, just making a point. If a Senior is going to play like a frosh, why not play the frosh and give him game experience?

11 of 23 for 73 yards is difficult to argue for.

 

[bamanaf]

I see the point your making and agree in large part. By the end of last season I was one of JP's biggest critics.. But my comments were really meant for Altie's final thought.

I think we need a new quarterback, one that can play football a little better. This is getting ridiculous.

Again, I could be right there with you guys if the next game is a carbon copy. :?

 

[Guest]

I see the point your making and actually agree. By the end of last season I was one of JP's biggest critics.. But my comments were really meant for Altie's final thought.

I think we need a new quarterback, one that can play football a little better. This is getting ridiculous.

Again, I could be right there with you guys if the next game is a carbon copy. :?

Methinks you missed the point of Altie's post. He was being sarcastic and pointing out that most of our ineffectiveness was not JP's fault. I agree with that, but also think that there is more than enough fault for JPW as well.

 

[bamanaf]

I see the point your making and actually agree. By the end of last season I was one of JP's biggest critics.. But my comments were really meant for Altie's final thought.

I think we need a new quarterback, one that can play football a little better. This is getting ridiculous.

Again, I could be right there with you guys if the next game is a carbon copy. :?

Methinks you missed the point of Altie's post. He was being sarcastic and pointing out that most of our ineffectiveness was not JP's fault. I agree with that, but also think that there is more than enough fault for JPW as well.

Right on. Guilty of scanning his post too quickly, lol. Biggest gripe I continue to have is JPW getting timid after a sack or full pressure by the D. He seems to have a tough time looking past it and regaining focus, something you dont expect out of a senior qb.

 

[Guest]

Good points, Bama Fan. I can see your point of view also. The protection last week was fantastic and the push was great too. Due to that, 'Bama had a fantastic day at the QB spot and an even better day for the ball carriers.


I take into account that 2 experienced OLineman were out and the shuffle affected them very badly. I suppose the experienced depth becomes an issue very quickly in situations like that.

4 sacks and too many rushes to count and too many times of 4 and 5 Tulane defenders simply coming through the line as soon as the ball was snapped without what seemed like a finger laid on them is hard on a QB.

How does a QB have time to think or take action when a Tulane lineman is planting Wilson's head into the ground before our center even has a chance to stand up and block the noseguard?

I am sure many thought Brodie should have avoided the 11 sacks Auburn put on him also, but it isn't so easy in a real life situation.

I understand that the times when he wasn't chewing on big clumps of grass he may have been able to complete a pass or five that should have been made.

You mention Star Jackson and his ability to run. Kodi Burns is a runner also. We see how that worked out. In most of the games he played a small part in last year, he would run around in the backfield avoiding pressure and then finally get sacked for a 15 or 20 yard loss or throw an incomplete pass.

Being a running QB does not magically solve all problems. Even running QB's need some little bit of protection or they will have nowhere to run to.

 

[Guest]

I see the point your making and actually agree. By the end of last season I was one of JP's biggest critics.. But my comments were really meant for Altie's final thought.

I think we need a new quarterback, one that can play football a little better. This is getting ridiculous.

Again, I could be right there with you guys if the next game is a carbon copy. :?

Methinks you missed the point of Altie's post. He was being sarcastic and pointing out that most of our ineffectiveness was not JP's fault. I agree with that, but also think that there is more than enough fault for JPW as well.

Right on. Guilty of scanning his post too quickly, lol. Biggest gripe I continue to have is JPW getting timid after a sack or full pressure by the D. He seems to have a tough time looking past it and regaining focus, something you dont expect out of a senior qb.

Looking past it 'till when? The next series? The next quarter? There wasn't a whole lot to look past because most of it never stopped.

Tulane looked like LSU out there on defense, it was bizarre. 'Bama looked like Tuscaloosa High's offensive line and Tulane's DLine looked like the Steel Curtain, it was crazy.

Let's set up a scenario from yesterday's game, not an imaginary one, but a real one.

Out of, let's say, 4 possessions, JPW had an opportunity for 4 passes without having his kidney's damaged from landing on his back so much. Well, there were a lot of 3 and out's.

So, out of these 4 possessions he is hurried or plastered 9 times and has ample opportunity to do something 3 times.

Did he really, really screw up with those 3 chances he had or did the OLine really screw up for only giving him 3 chances?

You know, I really don't have a problem with yanking Wilson out and having a coach sit him and never let him play another down. But what would that do? At this point, all it would do is put another QB through the same living hell that numerous other 'Bama QB's have had to live through.

Another QB is not the answer. A team playing a football game as a team is the answer, just like they did during the Clemson game.

 

[bamanaf]

I see the point your making and actually agree. By the end of last season I was one of JP's biggest critics.. But my comments were really meant for Altie's final thought.

I think we need a new quarterback, one that can play football a little better. This is getting ridiculous.

Again, I could be right there with you guys if the next game is a carbon copy. :?

Methinks you missed the point of Altie's post. He was being sarcastic and pointing out that most of our ineffectiveness was not JP's fault. I agree with that, but also think that there is more than enough fault for JPW as well.

Right on. Guilty of scanning his post too quickly, lol. Biggest gripe I continue to have is JPW getting timid after a sack or full pressure by the D. He seems to have a tough time looking past it and regaining focus, something you dont expect out of a senior qb.

Looking past it 'till when? The next series? The next quarter? There wasn't a whole lot to look past because most of it never stopped.

Tulane looked like LSU out there on defense, it was bizarre. 'Bama looked like Tuscaloosa High's offensive line and Tulane's DLine looked like the Steel Curtain, it was crazy.

Let's set up a scenario from yesterday's game, not an imaginary one, but a real one.

Out of, let's say, 4 possessions, JPW had an opportunity for 4 passes without having his kidney's damaged from landing on his back so much. Well, there were a lot of 3 and out's.

So, out of these 4 possessions he is hurried or plastered 9 times and has ample opportunity to do something 3 times.

Did he really, really screw up with those 3 chances he had or did the OLine really screw up for only giving him 3 chances?

You know, I really don't have a problem with yanking Wilson out and having a coach sit him and never let him play another down. But what would that do? At this point, all it would do is put another QB through the same living hell that numerous other 'Bama QB's have had to live through.

Another QB is not the answer. A team playing a football game as a team is the answer, just like they did during the Clemson game.

Question. Was the majority of the sacks/pressure from the Tulanes D slipping through the same O lineman (2nd stringers) or throughout the game was it the entire D breaking down?

I didnt get a chance to watch, just listened on the radio through all the booing. One game I'm somewhat glad I didnt watch but on the other hand would of like to of seen who was guilty of what, if you get my drift!

 

[TerryP]

Question. Was the majority of the sacks/pressure from the Tulanes D slipping through the same O lineman (2nd stringers) or throughout the game was it the entire D breaking down?

I didnt get a chance to watch, just listened on the radio through all the booing. One game I'm somewhat glad I didnt watch but on the other hand would of like to of seen who was guilty of what, if you get my drift!

Blitzing from essentially a linebacker position. Starting off behind the DL then coming around the end accounted...they simply sent another guy when the OL were all taken up.

On one of them JP should have thrown the ball away. The others were missed assignments where the RB's simply didn't lay a hand on the guy.

Realistically, one of the four could be placed on the OL.

 

[bamanaf]

So in a nut shell we didnt counter the blitz worth a darn so basically what amount of the missed assignments probably relates the position shifts?
Having our starters back should help obviously I would hope, allowing everyone back to their right position..

 

[Guest]

Question. Was the majority of the sacks/pressure from the Tulanes D slipping through the same O lineman (2nd stringers) or throughout the game was it the entire D breaking down?

I didnt get a chance to watch, just listened on the radio through all the booing. One game I'm somewhat glad I didnt watch but on the other hand would of like to of seen who was guilty of what, if you get my drift!

Blitzing from essentially a linebacker position. Starting off behind the DL then coming around the end accounted...they simply sent another guy when the OL were all taken up.

On one of them JP should have thrown the ball away. The others were missed assignments where the RB's simply didn't lay a hand on the guy.

Realistically, one of the four could be placed on the OL.

One of the four sacks, you are probably correct. On many of the rushes though, it was as if they were coming through several different holes.

One time I remember specifically because it was so odd, 3 guys, almost simultaneously just appeared in the backfield. They didn't come around either end, they came straight through the middle.

 

[djngl1]

Oh My God....

this is music to my ears. I got kicked off every other forum I have been on for being critical of JPW. To now hear someone else echo my thoughts is great. He is a senior and we as fans have the right after spending a couple hundred bucks every weekend and dealing with the troubles of getting to and from the game to criticize a player. I was soooooo upset with JPW last year after the season, we it came time to renew my car tag I chose NEEDQB for my personalized tag. If he leads us to something great I will eat crow, until then.....

 

[Guest]

Re: Oh My God....

this is music to my ears. I got kicked off every other forum I have been on for being critical of JPW. To now hear someone else echo my thoughts is great. He is a senior and we as fans have the right after spending a couple hundred bucks every weekend and dealing with the troubles of getting to and from the game to criticize a player. I was soooooo upset with JPW last year after the season, we it came time to renew my car tag I chose NEEDQB for my personalized tag. If he leads us to something great I will eat crow, until then.....

Bet you're going to feel like you have been deceived when Star Jackson and McCarron are just as bad or even worse than Wilson.

That will suck won't it.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

Re: Oh My God....

this is music to my ears. I got kicked off every other forum I have been on for being critical of JPW. To now hear someone else echo my thoughts is great. He is a senior and we as fans have the right after spending a couple hundred bucks every weekend and dealing with the troubles of getting to and from the game to criticize a player. I was soooooo upset with JPW last year after the season, we it came time to renew my car tag I chose NEEDQB for my personalized tag. If he leads us to something great I will eat crow, until then.....

Bet you're going to feel like you have been deceived when Star Jackson and McCarron are just as bad or even worse than Wilson.

That will suck won't it.

Hey, at least his tag will still be acurate :x !

 

[TerryP]

Question. Was the majority of the sacks/pressure from the Tulanes D slipping through the same O lineman (2nd stringers) or throughout the game was it the entire D breaking down?

I didnt get a chance to watch, just listened on the radio through all the booing. One game I'm somewhat glad I didnt watch but on the other hand would of like to of seen who was guilty of what, if you get my drift!

Blitzing from essentially a linebacker position. Starting off behind the DL then coming around the end accounted...they simply sent another guy when the OL were all taken up.

On one of them JP should have thrown the ball away. The others were missed assignments where the RB's simply didn't lay a hand on the guy.

Realistically, one of the four could be placed on the OL.

One of the four sacks, you are probably correct. On many of the rushes though, it was as if they were coming through several different holes.

One time I remember specifically because it was so odd, 3 guys, almost simultaneously just appeared in the backfield. They didn't come around either end, they came straight through the middle.

I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same play CAD...off the top of my head I think it was two LB's and their safety/hybrid linebacker that hit the gaps between our guards and center. Guards, at that time, we Motley and Ross if I recall correctly...I'd have to go back and look to be sure.

 

[TerryP]

Re: Oh My God....

this is music to my ears. I got kicked off every other forum I have been on for being critical of JPW. To now hear someone else echo my thoughts is great. He is a senior and we as fans have the right after spending a couple hundred bucks every weekend and dealing with the troubles of getting to and from the game to criticize a player. I was soooooo upset with JPW last year after the season, we it came time to renew my car tag I chose NEEDQB for my personalized tag. If he leads us to something great I will eat crow, until then.....

It's a bad tune you have been playing to place this all on JP.

I've seen too many threads to count that were critical of an aspect of the game that were simply off base.

Some saying, "we should have ran on first down instead of pass the ball all the time" when we ran over 72% of the time on first down.

When we did pass the ball, 40% of those passes were completed, 40% were dropped, and one was off mark.

The over-thrown deep ball to Julio, same play as we saw in Clemson, was ran the exact same way. It wouldn't be hard to convince me more than I am already that he didn't run the route the way it was designed. It sure wasn't a true post route and if it was ran like a true post route the pass would have been where it was supposed to be.

I don't have a problem voicing concerns and observations on players when they make mistakes. I do have a problem when those observations aren't based on what happened, but an emotional reaction.

There has been far too much of those "emotional reactions" the last few years.

I'd be willing to swear if most would watch the game again with more of a "football minded approach" 90% of these complaints wouldn't exist.

 

[bamanaf]

If Javy is day to day (i think) and is out next week who will likely fill his shoes on the D, guess Julio will field all kicks.

Also, everyone with the exception of maybe Javy? should be back next week if practices go as planned I'm prayin?..

 

[Guest]

Re: Oh My God....

this is music to my ears. I got kicked off every other forum I have been on for being critical of JPW. To now hear someone else echo my thoughts is great. He is a senior and we as fans have the right after spending a couple hundred bucks every weekend and dealing with the troubles of getting to and from the game to criticize a player. I was soooooo upset with JPW last year after the season, we it came time to renew my car tag I chose NEEDQB for my personalized tag. If he leads us to something great I will eat crow, until then.....

Bet you're going to feel like you have been deceived when Star Jackson and McCarron are just as bad or even worse than Wilson.

That will suck won't it.

Hey, at least his tag will still be acurate :x !

LOL, you are right about that. For that matter, he could have got that tag back when Brodie was QB. Why not get the tag back when Andrew Zow or Tyler Watts were QB's, who between them had 96 interceptions and 32 touchdowns.

What these guys will always fail to understand is that there is a common demoninator running through the circumstances of all these "sorry" QB's.

Will they ever figure it out, not likely.