| FTBL I was just curious . . .

[aMAZEnFan]

. . . of what the 'Hay U' thought of our game against Clemson and I want to dissect this comment:

Yes, it's the same team that had played an ENTIRE season and were battle ready to play us in ATL...NOT the overhyped and most likely, OVER CONFIDENT team, that showed up against Bammer last night. As a true football sportsfan, I'll even say that Bammer played a good game BUT this is ONE game. You also got to remember that Bammer was unveiling a new offense and even though Clemson watched plenty film on that OC, it's hard to get a feel for that OC with a different team. Now there is plenty of film for opposing DC to watch so let's just see how they do the rest of the way.

First of all, Clemson had just as long to prepare for us as we had for them--no excuses!!!

Coach Saban said that we were running the same offense we ran last year so Clemson had plenty of film to observe that.

No new offense.

The hiring of Coach J-Mac didn't have as much to do with what he did in terms of scheme at Fresno State. He was hired mainly to help JPW improve.

Teams can't watch the film of this past Saturday's game and get a good feel of what we will do, b/c the whole playbook hasn't been revealed yet.

Like Hay U claimed they did, we stuck to what was working and the running game was so effective, there was no need to open up the playbook.

The way I see it, our OC makes a plan game-by-game based on the opponent. He studies how to expose their weaknesses and that changes from week-to-week.

I have this feeling that opposing defenses will have a hard time figuring out what we will do, b/c of our ability to play various styles at the drop of a dime.

If you load up on the run, the deep pass will kill you.

If you play soft, the underneath stuff will rip you.

If you play man-to-man, the mismatches will hurt you.

My point is that preparation will go far beyond watching a little game film of the last game, but it will take hours and hours of practicing when to make adjustments at any moment throughout the game.

 

[imported_Porter]

The barner is right. All of our eggs were in that basket and there is no way we can out scheme or out physical other teams from here on out. BAMA football is doomed. That was our bowl game, I hope everyone enjoyed it.

 

[Guest]

I sure did, great season boys...let's take it to the house.

 

[aMAZEnFan]

LOL, you guys are hilarious!!!

I love how other teams try to tell others how we run things here at the UA!!!

 

[MDBtrumpet04]

The barners are in denial. He's listing reasons why Clemson lost, not why Alabama won. If the Iron Bowl was played this week, Bama would stomp a mud hole in that cow college.

 

[milliondollarfan19]

Yes, it's the same team that had played an ENTIRE season and were battle ready to play us in ATL...NOT the overhyped and most likely, OVER CONFIDENT team, that showed up against cool guy last night.

I think that a football team would be ready to get the season over with and tired as sh** at the end of an ENTIRE season, granted it is a bowl game that they played AU in so they would be hyped and confident.
Were they overhyped or were we just dominant?
http://www.crimsontusks.com/about30874.html its pretty much already been broken down for us by Porkchop, and i tend to agree with him on this... but well have to wait to see whether we were underrated or clemson was overrated... and im hoping that we were extremely underestimated...

 

[runswithscissors]

something i think is funny about that statement about Clemson had no idea about what they would see because of a new offense is, after AU's bowl game with Clemson they heralded their offense as a world beater and they would win a MNC because of it. i asked a few of them "have you guys stopped to think that Clemson had NO IDEA what you guys would do, no idea about any personnel groupings, no way to scout what you guys would do, and had to stay in a base defense the whole game because of it?"

the resounding answer was NO. there was no way that was possible. Tony Franklin is their messiah and them beating Clemson was a testament to that. just look, that offense is SO GOOD, that AU was able to beat Clemson after only 8 days of learning the offense. just think how good it will be during the 08 season with all off-season to learn it.

there were so many reasons AU fans came up with as to why Clemson would just take us to the shed and flat out beat us down like red headed step children. now all of a sudden, those reasons disappear and now its just "well, Clemson is just a terrible team and has no talent." they just let us win. lets ignore the fact that their coach said he has not seen a team be more physical against his in the last 3 years. lets ignore the fact that the Clemson players have said Alabama was just incredibly physical. no, Alabama didn't win the game.....Clemson just lost it.

we will hear the same story the next few weeks after winning some games. even if we took UGA to 3 overtimes and they won by 1 point on a 60 yard field goal, AU fans would rave about how HORRIBLE and sorry our team is, and that they told us so after the Clemson game.

they are grasping straws. you won't see but a few admit it, but they are concerned about us. they spin like crazy because it makes them feel better about the situation. it makes them feel warm and fuzzy. i think this season we will see a role reversal in the state. i don't see AU being a dominant team in the SEC this season. thats going beyond the crimson glasses, that is a very real concept. the chemistry is not right on the team. there is dissent among the ranks. alot of the skill players are not really sold on this spread offense, and are not happy with how the QB situation is going. AU fans will be furious about their 8 win season and that the streak will be broken this season. they will give CTF another season to get things together, but he will not last long on the plains. his gimmicky offense will not work with the big boys in the SEC. it didn't even work against ULM.

get ready for an interesting season.

 

[TerryP]

A couple of things here Maze...

1. I'd like to see the entire thread those comments were taken from just to see the context of the post. Yes, I realize I'm asking for a link to something Auburn related and I'll beat myself with a zanjeer zani. But still, I'll likely have more comments after I read that thread.
   
2. "You also got to remember that cool guy was unveiling a new offense." That one does crack me up. This new offense debuted around 50 years ago when a team lined up against another team, was more physical, and just ran the ball until they couldn't stop it. Damn, the innovation is astounding. Revolutionary, I tell ya, Revolutionary!
   
3. "...even though Clemson watched plenty film on that OC, it's hard to get a feel for that OC with a different team."
   
   Damn, don't you hate it when facts get in the way of conjecture?
   
   Alabama ran the ball 62.5% of the time Saturday.
   Last year, Fresno State ran the ball 62.1% of the time.
   
   I'm not making those stats up. Exactly the same pass to run ratio.
   
4. "Now there is plenty of film for opposing DC to watch so let's just see how they do the rest of the way."
   
   That's the one I love the most. This nugget is from players on our team and from staff members on our team. "We barely scratched the surface of what we've installed on offense."
   
5. 
   Yes, it's the same team that had played an ENTIRE season and were battle ready to play us in ATL...NOT the overhyped and most likely, OVER CONFIDENT team, that showed up against cool guy last night.
   
   Maybe, hopefully, this will make sense to me later on today. Right now, with just a sip of coffee, I just don't understand what this guy is trying to say.
   
   Perhaps, one of you guys that have been up longer today that I am right now could explain this in more detail.
   
6. Perhaps, if someone were to share this with this Auburnite, it might make sense to him.
   
   Remember when Pat Dye said that Alabama wasn't man enough to beat Georgia 5 years ago? Well, Clemson wasn't man enough to beat Alabama Saturday night.
   

 

[Guest]

If you load up on the run, the deep pass will kill you.

Uh, that's the only thing that didn't "work" Sat. night. JPW just can't seem to master that. I really don't know how much deep-ball action we'll see this year.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

If you load up on the run, the deep pass will kill you.

Uh, that's the only thing that didn't "work" Sat. night. JPW just can't seem to master that. I really don't know how much deep-ball action we'll see this year.

His second half throw to McCoy was a 20+ yard strike. Deep outs and crossing patterns are enough to punish a team for crowding the line. You don't have to go for the home run every time, although I do think you'll see some nice ones this year.

RTR,

Tim

 

[TerryP]

If you load up on the run, the deep pass will kill you.

Uh, that's the only thing that didn't "work" Sat. night. JPW just can't seem to master that. I really don't know how much deep-ball action we'll see this year.

His second half throw to McCoy was a 20+ yard strike. Deep outs and crossing patterns are enough to punish a team for crowding the line. You don't have to go for the home run every time, although I do think you'll see some nice ones this year.

RTR,

Tim

This conversation is a prime example of how we as Bama fans need to change our lines of thinking.

Coach Saban refers to these as explosive plays. By that, he means plays that are for more than 15 yards whether it be running or passing the ball.

We had 5 of those Saturday night, 3-4 more that were a few yards short.

All in all, it wasn't a satisfactory night on offense by his standards, which I don't feel uncomfortable saying should be our own.

Lou Holtz said something last night that I actually agreed with. "Football games are 10 yards at a time."

Even if we go the entire season without a long pass completed, we'll soon get to our explosive play numbers goal. When we are hitting that number, look out!!!

I did find one thing interesting. All those that complain about JPW's arm...the shot down field to Julio, the one to Maze he caught, the one he missed...thrown almost on a rope. His 50+ yard toss to the endzone, incomplete, was a shot...not a floater.

 

[aMAZEnFan]

Yea, TP, JPW does have arm strength, but the timing was off some!!! I remember the deep ball to Julio that was overthrown by a mile. Maybe he didn't put enough air under that ball to give Julio a chance to make a Superman-like grab, but I just got this feeling that we will see JPW connect on those passes in the next game against Tulane.

They will expect a grind-it-out-type of game and we might run RED BALL for 60 minutes!!!

 

[Guest]

Hate to tell the barner but our offense wasn't revolutionary. OUR LINE DOMINATED THEIR LINE. We ran it right down their throat.

 

[Red_Tsunami]

Coach Saban said that we were running the same offense we ran last year so Clemson had plenty of film to observe that.

This was not the same offense. In fact we haven't had this offense since Fran left. It was called running the football. I did get a little upset when we were up 27-10 and went three and out passing the ball. I think McElwain forgot he wasn't on the west coast for a few minutes. I do love how he hangs his hat on the simple power play even from the gun.

 

[BamaDevO]

The barner is right. All of our eggs were in that basket and there is no way we can out scheme or out physical other teams from here on out. BAMA football is doomed. That was our bowl game, I hope everyone enjoyed it.

I agree...we are in trouble..

 

[TerryP]

Coach Saban said that we were running the same offense we ran last year so Clemson had plenty of film to observe that.

This was not the same offense. In fact we haven't had this offense since Fran left. It was called running the football. I did get a little upset when we were up 27-10 and went three and out passing the ball. I think McElwain forgot he wasn't on the west coast for a few minutes. I do love how he hangs his hat on the simple power play even from the gun.

This comment may be considered nit-picking. :wink:

We didn't have a 3 and out with three passes in a row and the score never was 27-10.

We had one 3 and out up 31-10 with just a few minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Ingram had 4 on first down, incomplete on 2nd, complete on 3rd again to Ingram but for no gain, or loss.

 

[Red_Tsunami]

You are right. It was 31-10. As for the passing part, I should have made myself clear. I didn't mean three passes in a row. We get four yards rushing on 1st down, even more reason to run on second. Instead we pass two times for no gain. If you remember after that three and out, Spiller broke that long run. If it hadn't have been called back and Clemson scores, its a whole new ball game going into the fourth quarter. Nitpicky? sure, but that's stuff that I notice. Little things can cost you a ballgame.

 

[TerryP]

You are right. It was 31-10. As for the passing part, I should have made myself clear. I didn't mean three passes in a row. We get four yards rushing on 1st down, even more reason to run on second. Instead we pass two times for no gain. If you remember after that three and out, Spiller broke that long run. If it hadn't have been called back and Clemson scores, its a whole new ball game going into the fourth quarter. Nitpick? sure, but that's stuff that I notice. Little things can cost you a ballgame.

I remember it well. I think that was the first time they stopped Mark for no gain that night. In fact, I think it was the first time they stopped the team for no gain. It was in the 4th that we lost yardage for the first time.

That's the reason when I read it I responded. I said "nit pick" because I didn't want you to think I was picking at you Clint. It just jumped out at me.

Although, I'm going to have to disagree it would have changed the outcome of the game or even made it a ball game at that point. Sure, the score would have been different. But, 90% of that team was beaten by the end of the first quarter. I see no reason to think they would have it in them.

Just to continue on "nit pick.."

I love the finite details and observations about a game...keep 'em coming!!!!

 

[TerryP]

Damn, and here I said yesterday I wasn't going to talk about Clemson anymore...might as well just give up on that decree!!!!

 

[Guest]

If you load up on the run, the deep pass will kill you.

Uh, that's the only thing that didn't "work" Sat. night. JPW just can't seem to master that. I really don't know how much deep-ball action we'll see this year.

His second half throw to McCoy was a 20+ yard strike. Deep outs and crossing patterns are enough to punish a team for crowding the line. You don't have to go for the home run every time, although I do think you'll see some nice ones this year.

RTR,

Tim

Oh I know Tim. I'm just saying when I think "deep ball" I think 30-40+ yards. Without comparing recent QB's we've had some success in the past few years with deep balls. I think JPW is more suited for the 10-20 type though.