| FTBL How bout that officiating guys

[imported_porkchop]

While I will preface this by saying that I have no love for the Barn I do think they got jobbed last night in that LSU game. This is another example of selective officiating IMO.

LSU lines up, snaps the ball, a flag is throw. BUT....since LSU scores on the play the flag is picked up and the refs say that there is no foul on the play.

Meanwhile everyone in the building and those watching the game can all see that LSU lined up in an illegal formation. The WR on the opposite side of the field was clearly a yard off the line of scrimmage, resulting in LSU having only 6 men on the line of scrimmage.

Is it just me or is anyone else really bothered by this? And before you start with the, "well it was AU so I don't care" just remember that you don't care when it happens to us. I don't like AU and I'm not too terribly disapointed that they lost, but I hate corruption more.

Some of the stuff going on with the officiating now is plain crap. Then we wonder why there is always talk of corruption and game fixing?

Any thoughts?

 

[BigAl]

Well Chop i dont mean to argue but, when these WR's walk up to the LOS the coachs tells them to tell the refs to add them to the LOS so i don't really think you can blame the refs. This does happen sometimes.Depends on the formation.But i do think there is some selective vision on the refs part.

 

[imported_porkchop]

I know what you're saying but who's to say that the WR went and lined up correctly in the first place? Someone apparently thought he wasn't where he needed to be because they flagged him. The replay shows that he was lined up in a "flanker's" position off the LOS.

I'm not sure who to blame but the fact remains that they flagged him then decided it was okay after the team scored.

 

[bamafan850]

That could only make them even. what about this no call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqiLlOybz9s

 

[imported_porkchop]

Yeah but the whole tit for tat, getting teams back calls is a mess too. Once you start that where does it end?

We saw some of that in the UCONN game the other night.

 

[alagator]

While I will preface this by saying that I have no love for the Barn I do think they got jobbed last night in that LSU game. This is another example of selective officiating IMO.

LSU lines up, snaps the ball, a flag is throw. BUT....since LSU scores on the play the flag is picked up and the refs say that there is no foul on the play.

Meanwhile everyone in the building and those watching the game can all see that LSU lined up in an illegal formation. The WR on the opposite side of the field was clearly a yard off the line of scrimmage, resulting in LSU having only 6 men on the line of scrimmage.

Is it just me or is anyone else really bothered by this? And before you start with the, "well it was AU so I don't care" just remember that you don't care when it happens to us. I don't like AU and I'm not too terribly disapointed that they lost, but I hate corruption more.

Some of the stuff going on with the officiating now is plain crap. Then we wonder why there is always talk of corruption and game fixing?

Any thoughts?

While I thought the game was generally poorly officiated (and is anyone really surprised, this was the same crew where TWO officials both missed the Ole Miss WR run out of bounds against UA last week), the play you discussed, as highlighted above, was not one of them.

The Line Judge along the Auburn sideline (top of the TV screen) threw his flag because he only saw two offensive linemen on his side of the center. Generally this implies an incorrect formation, but in this instance it was not. In this instance, LSU was lined up in an unbalanced line with the TE (on the formation left) covered by the WR.

While I agree it appears from the camera angle the LSU WR split to the formation left (bottom of the TV screen) was off the line of scrimmage, you need to look at the Line Judge to that side to make sure. If the WR is off the Line-of-Scrimmage the LJ will hold up his arm on the offensive side (in this case his right arm) straight out from his shoulder to signal that the receiver is in the backfield. If the WR is on the LoS, the LJ will have both arms dropped by his side. In this instance, the LJ had both arms down, so he was on the line per the official.

The result is LSU had seven men on the line, but it did mean the TE was covered by the WR and thus ineligible - does anyone know if the TE went downfield (which would have been a penalty, but not reviewable unfortunately for Auburn) or stayed in to block on that play, as I do not remember. After the play, when the officials met to learn for what violation the flag was thrown, the conversation most likely included the Line Judge on the left correcting the one on the right side of the formation. This is good officiating by the way - throw the flag when you perceive a formation violation, getting together to confer with the other officials, and then making the 'no penalty' announcement.

 

[imported_porkchop]

Alagator, great response as always. I would have to see if the TE released or not. I wuld have to try and find something on Youtube on it.

 

[Rolling Tide]

That could only make them even. what about this no call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqiLlOybz9s

I was pulling for Auburn until this play.

 

[TerryP]

While I thought the game was generally poorly officiated (and is anyone really surprised, this was the same crew where TWO officials both missed the Ole Miss WR run out of bounds against UA last week), the play you discussed, as highlighted above, was not one of them.

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FWIW, and I don't mean to hijack the thread, just add one note to it.

This is also the same crew that officiated the Arkansas game a few years back with the 12 men on the field.

The head guys name is Penn Wagers. Nice guy, lives here in Charleston.

There was one other real blatant miss a few years back. I want to say it was LSU in '05...but can't recall exactly. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[imported_RollTideRandy]

There was one other real blatant miss a few years back. I want to say it was LSU in '05...but can't recall exactly. I'll see if I can find it.

Do you mean this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJCbtQ0kbBQ

 

[TerryP]

Had to pull out some old notes. LSU '03. FWIW, same officiating crew...

 

[Outlaw]

While I thought the game was generally poorly officiated (and is anyone really surprised, this was the same crew where TWO officials both missed the Ole Miss WR run out of bounds against UA last week), the play you discussed, as highlighted above, was not one of them.

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FWIW, and I don't mean to hijack the thread, just add one note to it.

This is also the same crew that officiated the Arkansas game a few years back with the 12 men on the field.

The head guys name is Penn Wagers. Nice guy, lives here in Charleston.

There was one other real blatant miss a few years back. I want to say it was LSU in '05...but can't recall exactly. I'll see if I can find it.

LSU '04? Pass interference in the end zone against us? That comes to mind.

 

[Guest]

On the touchdown play where the flag was picked up, the penalty was not enough men on the line of scrimmage. On the replay, the player in question was obviously the wide reciever and he clearly pointed that he was on the line. The flag was thrown by the other line judge across the field, because it looked from that angle he wasn't on the line. However, if the WR acknowledged hes on the line to one of the line judges and is in the vicinity of the line of scrimmage. Then there is no penalty and it should of been picked up.