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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The first losing season in four decades. An NCAA-record 36-year bowl streak snapped. The worst academic performance among Power Five conferences.

It's no wonder that Florida State fans have been doing everything from signing petitions to creating Facebook pages to starting GoFundMecampaigns to taking to social media to call for coach Willie Taggart's head.

But want to know who's really to blame for this mess in Tallahassee?

Look no further than former coach Jimbo Fisher.

Fisher, of course, is the man who pushed the program to the very top of the college football mountain not so long ago. But, according to FSU officials and former assistant coaches and players, it's also his fingerprints that are all over the decline.

Not Taggart's. While most of the college football world might have had Taggart pegged for the dreaded hot seat after going 5-7 in his first season, those at FSU say he's one of the safest coaches around and will get every opportunity to lift the program from an abyss he didn't create.

"We were 5-6 in Jimbo's last season when [Fisher] pulled the ripcord," FSU athletic director Dave Coburn says, referring to a decision late in the 2017 season to reschedule a game against Louisiana-Monroe that had previously been canceled because of Hurricane Irma.

"If we didn't buy that hurricane makeup game, the bowl streak would've ended then."

That's just three years after Fisher had engineered an impressive 29-game winning streak that included a national championship and a spot in the first College Football Playoff.

"We were Clemson before Clemson," a former assistant to Fisher at FSU says. "We were the team that had caught Alabama and was getting ready to pass them.

"Then it all fell off the cliff."

Right into the lap of Taggart, the fresh-faced, 42-year-old former college quarterback who walked into similar scenarios at Western Kentucky, USF and Oregon before leaving the Ducks after one season for his dream job at FSU.

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Can you spell SCAPEGOAT? Fisher would have straightened out the one-year anomaly. No mention of losing your starting QB and having a skinny leg freshman to do battle. And that comment about, "we were ready to pass Bama," please, in your dreams.

The thing that is most alarming to me about FSU at this point is the dropoff in recruiting. Say what you will Fisher continued to recruit at a higher level than Clemson. Taggart better figure that out, like now, or his miracle cures he's known for won't be sustainable. And that's given he could actually turn this program around even with elite Fisher players. He has another disastrous year like last season I predict you'll see less passing the buck to College Station and more of where the buck really stops.
 
The thing that is most alarming to me about FSU at this point is the dropoff in recruiting. Say what you will Fisher continued to recruit at a higher level than Clemson. Taggart better figure that out, like now, or his miracle cures he's known for won't be sustainable. And that's given he could actually turn this program around even with elite Fisher players. He has another disastrous year like last season I predict you'll see less passing the buck to College Station and more of where the buck really stops.
I don't think many will disagree with the thought that the hiring of Taggart was a questionable hire considering his resume. It's a big move up the career ladder (OU to FSU from smaller school) than we see often.

I also don't think you can look at the recruiting classes as a determining factor of whether a coach left the school in a mess. We saw a perfect example with Meyer (UF) whose recruiting didn't falter but he left that program is a crap heap.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that many don't look at Fisher and A&M as a huge threat.

We can not ignore the disciple issues at FSU. He had no control or he made not attempt to exert control of his team and their off the field actions. Those translate to life because you can't go at one thing half-assed and then expect full participation in another area.
 
If he's the scapegoat, explain to me how his team had over a 20 point drop in the APR over the last five years?

APRs are posted every year. Who shares in that failure? Fisher stays at Tallahassee he runs his football team as business as usual and the administration continues to do their thing. So, how is Jimbo doing with academics at College Station?

The bottom line, I don't believe that Jimbo was just looking for a way out of Tallassee. He was promised a big change with facilities and he was constantly bickering about losing good coaches because the administration didn't want to pay them. Aggies threw the bank at him and who has a better state of arts football complex? Pretty much the same story with RichRod's exit out of WVU.
 
I don't think many will disagree with the thought that the hiring of Taggart was a questionable hire considering his resume. It's a big move up the career ladder (OU to FSU from smaller school) than we see often.

I also don't think you can look at the recruiting classes as a determining factor of whether a coach left the school in a mess. We saw a perfect example with Meyer whose recruiting didn't falter but he left that program is a crap heap.

Taggart gets his chance to right the ship. The execution was terrible at times with the Seminoles last season. I didn't see much heart out of the team even against the middle and bottom of the pack ACC teams. If they come out this year focused and play hard, maybe, but another year of losing games the way Taggart's teams bit the dust, it probably won't end well.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that many don't look at Fisher and A&M as a huge threat.

Jimbo will solve that misconception this season. I'm most grateful that we have an extra bye week to exercise before we go to College Station.

We can not ignore the disciple issues at FSU. He had no control or he made not attempt to exert control of his team and their off the field actions. Those translate to life because you can't go at one thing half-assed and then expect full participation in another area.

We shall see. You mentioned Urban at Florida and then Ohio State. Both times his choice of player and coach and failure to monitor and control got him in the long run. In the short run, he won a lot of football games and 3 national championships. Jimbo's got one and nothing suggest to me he can't do it again.
 
APRs are posted every year. Who shares in that failure?
The sanctions related to APR are calculated over a four year period. The 20 point drop included one half of a years calculations. He was hired in December of 2017 so he's responsible for the scores from only the spring of 2018: 20 point drop over five years.

Five years which translates to roughly 10 semesters, and Taggart has one semester out of the 10. We're looking at four and a half years of APR decline but Fisher is a scapegoat?
 
@TUSKtimes, BTW, let's not forget, if we didn't see the hurricane game being rescheduled FSU would have missed a bowl game in Fisher's last season. The decline was well underway. They were 5-6 and made up the game against La Tech on the second of December to get their bowl eligibility.
 
The sanctions related to APR are calculated over a four year period. The 20 point drop included one half of a years calculations. He was hired in December of 2017 so he's responsible for the scores from only the spring of 2018: 20 point drop over five years.

Five years which translates to roughly 10 semesters, and Taggart has one semester out of the 10. We're looking at four and a half years of APR decline but Fisher is a scapegoat?


Had nothing to do with how Taggart's team played last season. Academics isn't the reason for the season and their new coach better get the physical and emotional side of playing football straightened out, quick.
 
@TUSKtimes, BTW, let's not forget, if we didn't see the hurricane game being rescheduled FSU would have missed a bowl game in Fisher's last season. The decline was well underway. They were 5-6 and made up the game against La Tech on the second of December to get their bowl eligibility.

An anomaly and hard to think otherwise with their injuries and who was at the helm. Fisher is just too good of a coach and we got all we could handle in that first game that season, remember? Florida State wasn't panicking then. Now, maybe.
 
Had nothing to do with how Taggart's team played last season. Academics isn't the reason for the season and their new coach better get the physical and emotional side of playing football straightened out, quick.
You are missing the entire point here. Taggart's team, and how they played last season, wasn't an anomoly. We saw the same thing in Fisher's last season.

But that's not the point I was making. We're looking at two things here. One, the decline of the APR over a five year period. You can not ignore one aspect of a program and expect another aspect to thrive. They are congruent.

He has demonstrated a lackadaisical attitude towards team discipline. We saw that with Winston. He's demonstrated a lack of control over the team and what they were doing in the classroom.

Five years ago we started seeing the decline in wins. Five years ago we stared seeing the decline in classroom success. Fisher isn't a scapegoat as you suggest. He's been digging this hole for several years now.

This is all right in front of you, man. Declining wins, declining classroom participation, declining discipline...but scapegoat?

I'm reminded of a girl whose car blew up a few months ago. She blamed a trip to VA for the transmission blowing up. I asked her, "when was the last time you changed the oil or had a tune up?" It had been years. Was it the one trip, or the lack of attention to other details that led to that one, fatal trip?
 
You are missing the entire point here. Taggart's team, and how they played last season, wasn't an anomoly. We saw the same thing in Fisher's last season.

But that's not the point I was making. We're looking at two things here. One, the decline of the APR over a five year period. You can not ignore one aspect of a program and expect another aspect to thrive. They are congruent.

He has demonstrated a lackadaisical attitude towards team discipline. We saw that with Winston. He's demonstrated a lack of control over the team and what they were doing in the classroom.

Five years ago we started seeing the decline in wins. Five years ago we stared seeing the decline in classroom success. Fisher isn't a scapegoat as you suggest. He's been digging this hole for several years now.

This is all right in front of you, man. Declining wins, declining classroom participation, declining discipline...but scapegoat?

I'm reminded of a girl whose car blew up a few months ago. She blamed a trip to VA for the transmission blowing up. I asked her, "when was the last time you changed the oil or had a tune up?" It had been years. Was it the one trip, or the lack of attention to other details that led to that one, fatal trip?


When I see Jimbo's car in College Station blow up we'll talk. Otherwise, I suggest the SEC West gird their loins cause it's going to get real and next year will be no joke. The recruiting and investment in college football over there has the feel of the next up and comer. Think Georgia West.
 
@TUSKtimes, "Georgia West" only gives us an also ran. That's what A&M has been (and they've had some good coaches through the years.)

However, that has nothing do with the shape in which he left FSU.
 
@TUSKtimes, "Georgia West" only gives us an also ran. That's what A&M has been (and they've had some good coaches through the years.)

However, that has nothing do with the shape in which he left FSU.

I'm betting that coach Saban doesn't share your sentiments about either team. They got my attention.
 
Wife getting some side action will do that to a fella.

Jimbo + crab legs = TAMU spending spree. Much like Johnny + Sherman OL = lots of money for Kevin & Kliff.
 
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